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What’s going on with the Ilion NY Fire Department?

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Recently many questions have been asked about sudden changes in the Ilion, NY Fire Department. Currently the department has no Chief thanks to a move by Mayor Brian Lamica. The details of this situation are few and the “official” statement from the Mayor creates more questions than answers.

Jennifer Pederson, wife of the embattled Fire Chief, Tom Pederson joins the Matt Masur Show to discuss what’s happening in this historic Central New York Village.

315Live.FM and The Matt Masur Show will continue to cover this breaking local news story.

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What’s going on with the Ilion NY Fire Department? | The Matt Masur Show CLIPS

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What’s going on with the Ilion Fire Department?

so welcome to Matt Masur This is a very special interview. You might be watching this during the regular live feed, or you might find this some, some other time, but this was a big. Kind of issue, big story that broke. So, the normal Friday off got put on pause and we’ve got a great interview today.
We’re talking today about what’s going on
in
Ilion Ilion, York. If you have seen the local media, you’ve seen a bunch of headlines that all pretty much say what the hell is going on in Ilion. There’s a big shakeup, there’s some big controversy with the mayor and the fire department. And this is a little personal for me for those that don’t know I’m from Ilion.
And my father is a retired deputy chief from Ilion fire department. And joining us today is the wife of the fire, chief Tom Peterson, who is a kind of in the center of this. And she also happens to be my cousin. So, Jennifer Peterson is joining us and I thank you very much, Jen, for for coming on.
I know you’ve. Ben out trying to tell the story and I appreciate you doing so here. Thank you, Matt. I really appreciate you asking me to come on today. Cause it’s, I think it’s a super unique thing between you and I. Not just the relationship of being cousins, but also the dynamic of how Tom took your father’s place, your position as he left, when he retired 24 years, 25 years ago, you know, whatever 24 years ago So it’s, it is a very unique story for both of us and near and dear to our hearts for the fire department.
For sure.
because it’s
in both of our lives since we’ve been born with your dad in the service. So, you know,
it’s,
obviously a story that needs to get out there for sure. Absolutely. And just, again, just for a tiny bit more context for those that aren’t from around here Ilian is a small village.
It’s the home of Remington arms. It’s based in Herkimer County and it’s one of the few paid fire departments in Herkimer County. What a lot of folks in bigger cities don’t understand is there’s a lot of small towns across the country that have volunteer fire departments departments that are staffed by spectacular people.
But. People that have other full-time jobs. And that is the case in Herkimer County, where a lot of those small towns are supported by the handful of full professional fire departments. So as we talk about how this affects the village civilian and their fire department, the mind this has to do with basically the whole region because they help everybody, it’s, it’s a kind of a community thing there.
So Jen, explain to us just. What is going on what’s what’s happening. It’s it’s
It’s interesting because there’s,
so many answers that we don’t have. But there’s obviously a lot of red flags. There’s a lot of red flags when it comes to some of the ethical, procedural and transparency coming from the mayor and the
the board.
Of of what is happening, what’s going on? What are the intentions? Why are we in the
state? Why is every, it’s not
the fire department and that’s the sad part. Every water police department,
electric
department, they’re all getting hit with very similar situations. Just nobody’s talking about it.
And village taxpayers need to know this information. The, the village is not being transparent of what’s going on. Nor are they following the pop the, the proper procedures to, to make these decisions in that’s coming out very clearly on many levels. And so people want to get involved and, and you know, with the fire
department specifically
there, there was.
An employee
left in the fall and upon leaving, supposedly had went to the village even after he was directly asked by his chief, if there were
any issues that he wanted
to be followed through with,
with,
with what he had written down on
on paper,
the employee stated he did not want to follow through with anything and that
that he wanted to
leave, you know, everything the way it was hanging out with the guy still, and just move on to another job.
So next thing, you know, there is supposedly a
a formal complaint but that came out
not until. December 24th, Tom is acting as the chief at the time was asked to ask his employee to go home on
Christmas Eve,
show up for work and be put on administrative leave because there’s an
an investigation
and that’s all they were ever told.
And, and nobody, when it comes to investigation, obviously we don’t have any details or what the complaint was or anything like that. But we do know
know there’s a lot of
in these timelines. If, if There was a complaint back in the fall, as they are very specifically stating in the news and specifically stating in their
their statements, why
an employee
waited two months and
continue to work if they have such high concerns.
Right. You know that that’s, that’s one of my number one. Questions. Why, why did it take them so long to even pursue this? And why has not all parties
this vented in spoken to an investigator?
Nobody, nobody. It a certain level of the department, some of the department has been Ben’s spoken to and some of it to get information from, but there’s still a handful that haven’t.
And these are the, the two, two of the members that are supposedly involved in this have not been investigated or asked any questions involving the situation formally at all. So that’s, that’s very interesting gaps in the story. It doesn’t make
sense
things just don’t line up with that.
And
you know, one of the big things, especially as Tom
serving as provisional, chief
the terms that they wrote on the paper for him to be removed from his position as chief
Really
are pretty questionable on many levels professionally
with legitimacy
have nothing to do with his jobs or performance as.
With his chief duties and responsibilities. So there are so
many
that are just not lining up to as specifically the
the fire
but all of these are applicable to everything that’s going on across the entire village. So,
So Jen, just, just
for people trying to keep score, let’s,
break down the very
basic, so you’ve got Tom who was the chief he’s been.
I guess suspended. He is not. And so their wording is that he has been removed from the
a provisional cheating position
And
he is to very specifically report only had, or the deputy chief in charge of the code.
So you have
with the highest level of training and leadership skills. They don’t even want into the
fire station, but for no reason,
and they want him housed at the municipal building only for.
Codes purposes. And why w when the fire department is very, very huge turnover, the last three
years is very experienced firefighters.
and you don’t want to use that person back on the line as a deputy chief running shifts and being present at which also causes natural overtime for the village when they do
knew it
that.
So there’s a
a lot of questions with those
Sure. And, and for folks don’t know annually, and for quite some time, the fire department is in charge of the codes department. And. In the fire station is the office where the codes officer generally works. That’s that’s
his home base.
And, and what they’re saying is we want you to do this job, but you’re not allowed in your office.
Yeah. And why would
we move?
why would you
we
them from
that building? Right in cause overtime purposes.
What what’s the,
Yeah.
I mean, that, that whole concept is so bizarre because, so you’re not really firing these people. You still want them to work for you, but you’re going to restrict how they can do their job and make any sense.
I mean, if there’s something great. And then the next question behind that is, is this with civil service requirements, contracts, law. Acceptable that you can be told to work in a different place with a different role, then your civil service hiring was what deputy chief and
and there’s,
an actual, you know, written law and procedures and policies of.
Where he can serve. What happens
if you get
Taken out of that provisional chief, does he get put back on to his last position and that’s what we’re
we’re looking into,
seems like that is
is the case. So.
Why wasn’t that due diligence done in that? You know, why, why aren’t we as administrators going, Oh, if we pull them out, where do we
we have
him?
Right. Because there’s a
a separate responsibility with the civil
workers to know what you are supposed to do with those roles. And in just a second, I will give you the statement from the mayor. And I think that it. It just speaks to everything you say. There seems to be very little procedure, very little, whatever.
It’s just, this is what we’re going to do and we’ll figure it out later. But, but before that, we, we keep talking about Tom, your husband, the chief, but there’s a couple other firefighters kind of caught up in this. Is that okay? So when one specific firefighter might count overs on administrative leave, he’s a deputy chief also.
He is the
was the one involved in the
and absolutely has had zero communication regarding any of this. And it has been told he cannot even step foot on a village property unless he gets permission from the
the mayor specifically
as if
if he’s a danger to
which is absolutely insane that his family is
is living like that.
So,
so they’ve given no cause. But, but, and again, this is the thing that, you know, I’ve said, and I’ll say again, obviously I have a connection here. I know these guys. I think these are good guys at the same time. I would take the other side that if they did do something wrong, if there’s something horrible, then appropriate actions should be taken, but
there’s no appropriate action here
for any situation what’s going on here is just totally inappropriate.
No matter what happened. Right. There’s, there’s no
no transparency of
anything going on
on on it is
you know, just, even on
on the
side of it now there’s, so there’s all these ethical things of none of these decisions being appropriate ethically. But also on
on the business side
all
all this overtime that we’re causing
due to this, the village
is now raising
2% for water. But we have no problem paying extra lawyer
fees when we have a lawyer.
So we’re, we’re, we
we have all of
these outside lawyers that we’re paying for all of this process, as well as
as others.
There’s other employees who are filing grievances that now they have to pay out for. And
we’re pulling
out of the fire station and holding this investigation really takes two months when this actually happened.
The, the
the complainant was supposedly
in the fall. Just there, none of this is making sense and it’s not fiscally responsible. It’s not ethically responsible. It’s not procedurally
responsible? Well, I think
I, I think folks these days are kind of conditioned to understand. Anytime you get an official statement about an investigation that is just the easy go-to word for we don’t want to answer any questions and we can hide behind this.
And that’s, you know, that’s, that’s kind of par for the course in any of these situations. What I am going to do here, if I can get the right one is I want to just quickly play. The, the news story on this, because it gives the mayor’s take now what I’ll say is, is interesting as I’ll play the story for you here, but a lot of the comments on the story from the public were what a horrible story.
I can’t believe this is, this is horrible reporting. There’s so many details I don’t understand. And while I get that, what we have to understand is. That’s not even the media’s fault there, every detail,
I mean, every detail that
correct. And that’s exactly how I was reached out to last night to say, they’re, they’re reporting the
the details they’re
So even, you know, I’ll preface a little bit of before plays
in
there. There’s two people under
investigation.
We have absolutely
no indication or communications, and there are two people
investigation. So if Tom is
on our investigation
is the other one, nobody knows it. Nobody nobody’s asked him any questions, huh?
Well, nobody’s
even called him and he doesn’t invert under investigation.
that’s, and that’s a very
bold statement
and this coverage, right. Let’s let’s see. And I apologize if you can’t hear the audio, but I, I assure you that folks will be able to Christine Copeland’s. The Ilion fire department is without a fire chief and the mayor of the village has confirmed.
There are two members of the department under investigation. Two is received a number of calls and emails from viewers voicing concern about changes at the fire department. And that’s when we started asking questions. So here’s what we know so far would say. I, I do really appreciate the way they kind of presented this because they are I think naturally.
Demonstrating that the lack of details that are in this story it’s kind of interesting very much. Now officials say a complaint was filed by a now former employee of the village alleging conduct, which could subject the village to legal liability. The investigation conducted by Indian police started in the fall, a statement obtained by news channel two from mayor Ryan LiveChat says, so this is the part right here.
This, this statement is I mean, it’s almost incredible in how much it says absolutely nothing. The main did the command structure, the department, the statement goes on to say, quote, well, some individuals may prefer that the status quo in the fire department being maintained, the board would not be fulfilling its responsibility by doing so to the contrary, the village board is United in its position that a comprehensive review and investigation of the operation of the fire department is required.
Such an inquiry by the board is necessary to protect the village from potential legal liability and ensure its compliance with applicable law rule and regulation and vote. Again, there is no fire chief in charge right now. The mayor tells news channel two to three. Deputy chiefs are in charge of the department.
We’re going to stay up. So let’s talk about that part real quick. They. Gave it to you at the top of the story and the end there, they’re driving this point that there is currently no fire chief. And, and they’re saying, you know, the, the three deputy chiefs have put, been put in charge, but it almost sounds like what they’re saying is you three guys figure it out.
And
unfortunately, those were the words that were shared, figured out. You guys will figure it out.
I mean, it’s just, it’s so ludicrous. I mean, how, what a
a liability? How do you not just say this
guy is the temporary leader? I mean, that’s, that’s the responsible thing,
fun. This is basic stuff, you know?
Well, it come to find out behind the scenes.
And again, I don’t have facts on this. This is a rumor, but I, I I’m, it’s pretty solid. That the intention was to pull in a fire chief from a different department, from a different town to serve oversee as well as where he is. And it sounds like this was already planned out prior
to asking.
to be removed from his chief position.
It sounds like also now that the, this
other chief
hearing the real story, he, it doesn’t sound like he might be Doing so, and, and you know what, here, here’s the interesting part. This has never been brought up in any of the open sessions that any of this at all was the
for
the Ilion and the taxpayers who pay for those services.
No one has been made aware that they don’t have to know all of the personnel changes, but they do have to know that the village is considering changes to their services. Yeah. I mean, what you’re talking about is, is basically a consolidation agreement, right? You’re, you’re sort of merging departments.
I mean, that is a huge, huge issue that needs to be discussed in public. Well, that’s we we’ve actually that’s one of the things Tom’s worked very hard at is building all of these great relationships with the towns around to provide a very contractual
and mutual
Agreement between all of them to move towards a fiscally responsible mutual type situation for services.
But they’re stepping stones, there’s baby steps. There’s things you
you
to do before that. I’m not like this and this isn’t how you treat, you know, your employees. Well, yeah, I mean, that’s, that’s the thing. You know, we talk about Toms that a 20 plus year veteran how many times has he been written up non?
He has nothing in his file. Yeah. So we go from an impeccable record to you must immediately be removed
there’s
no in between. Right. And can I share that? So the other two reasons that they put in writing that he was removed from his chief position, one of them was that he did not obey a direct order from the mayor, which was in reference to bringing files over to the village offices.
And that act actually had been done. And they shared that it wasn’t done in a timely manner, which I’m not, I think a week is a timely manner. He just didn’t like how they were there. They weren’t the
the originals,
they were copies. And that was his discrepancy with that. So he, he is stating that was a direct order that was not followed.
So that was the second reason they want to remove the fire chief because they don’t like the way he did secretarial duties. Correct. Gotcha. So then the third reason was a Facebook post that he posted
that
Chuck Lester himself stated he did. He found offensive and village board member. Yeah, he’s the deputy mayor who has been on Facebook often in a very egregious.
Manner often with, with residents and very frequently, including that day that they removed him from chief. But they sh his statement was that Tom had taken his phone and went around the fire station, Ilian fire station, or made a recording that was offensive. When in all actuality it was a TV clip from the show.
Rescue me. Phenomenal show by the way. Yeah. Yeah. It just speaks to the culture of the fire department. So that was a third reason there. So those were the three reasons was Regarding the harassment that time did not follow through with policy is properly, which he did not take the training for that, that that complaint that came through until after the complaint came through.
So he didn’t even know at the time he wasn’t knowledgeable of certain responsibilities for that, which, which was only. A very short period of time from all of that transpiring from when the employee left and told him he didn’t want anything followed through to when he was pulled in and asked, like, why didn’t you follow through duh, duh.
He, in between those times is when the training happened. So there’s three things that still don’t add up to removing somebody out of a chief position. Yeah. I mean, all of it, like there’s still no write-ups and none of them are heard integrate apps into his, you know, which is a standard procedure.
Even if, you know, you work at Walmart, there’s procedures for employment and reprimands and laws governing those things. You know, it just, it seems incredible the number of things that can, can go like this and, you know, you’ve cited some things in there. That they claim are the reasons, but I feel like it’s a little bit telling that they’ve not cited any of those reasons publicly.
I mean, usually when you have a problem with this, sure. There’s an investigation, but you know, if your excuses, they said something offensive on, on Facebook generally that is right out there. They’re going to tell you, listen, this is because of a, B or C, and we’re not going to get into the details, but. You know, we are at least going to give you some sort of rational reasoning. We’re going to tell the taxpayers why your fire department doesn’t have a chief right now. an Ilion, we’re just not gonna do that. We’re just gonna, you know, literally make it up as we go. Well, yeah, we’re going to do what we
we want to do.
that’s how we want to do it. And yeah, you know it, and you’re going
going to take
somebody who you committed. To their position as a fire chief, with the intention of full-time fire chief at the end, the permanent fire chief position, he’s gone to all of the trainings. I’ve invested huge amounts of money, and the
the village has
for all of these trainings.
In an investment into somebody who has committed heated, he can retire any time. Sure. And he’s chose to, he chose to stay. So this fire department in this village was not without effective leadership. It was a personal choice. He didn’t have to stay here and do this. So it, it does it. All of these decisions that are supposed to be politically procedurally, correct, have turned into very personal power trip decisions and the administration that’s, what’s really sad here is, you know, we see a lot of people in a lot of government jobs that are very self-serving, they’re very power hungry.
They’re very whatever. And, and you can get into that. That’s a whole nother debate, but the fire department. And specifically these guys in iLien they sign up every day to help people. No, they don’t play politics. They don’t run their mouth. They’re not trying to be the head of the town. They don’t get paid much.
No,
they, they
do a job
where
they are there to help you
an emergency
And they jump at that without asking questions. They don’t care who you are. They don’t care how much money you got. They don’t care. What color your skin is. When that phone call rings, they’re on the rig and they’re jumping in, run into a burning fire and saving people’s lives.
Correct. And these are the folks we’re going to go after an attack.
know, and
and again, so, you know, this would be just pure speculation, but. In your estimation, what do you think the, the real goal here is? Is it, is it some sort of you know, way just to cut costs? Is that, is that what is going to be his you know, the mayors answered all this.
This is why we’ve got to make all these changes or is it just a matter of, I want to make things my way. I, I think, I think it’s the latter. I really think it’s, I, I, this is the way I want things to go. I’ve got two more years in office. I have intentions of saying I did this, this and this as if they are improvements.
And actuality it’s
the entire village. Sure. With, with every department that is getting effective and morale, and even the fiscally, if you’re going to say you’re going to save money by doing these things, let’s really look at where the money is going because there’s even discrepancies and misappropriations that are coming out factually for people from people that are attending these meetings now, because they’re so, After all of this news of coming out with all the departments that are affected, people are starting to show up to these meetings and they are seeing their discrepancies, like I said, in the money.
And the way the meetings are held, there’s, there’s a legal obligation to hold village, open meetings, a certain way, and executive sessions a certain way. And what is discussed in both are not being followed. There I’ve had people, you know, left and right, reaching out and saying, I was at this meeting, this happened and it’s illegal.
I was at this meeting, this happened, it was illegal. So if we’re making decisions during times when you’re legally not supposed to, or not informing people, people were supposed to be openly informed that they were going to make changes. And the fire department and, and that did not happen at the Monday night meeting.
And Tom was let go on Tuesday for that chief position. He was also told that if he did not take the deputy chief of code’s position, as they told him he had to, that he would be suspended for 30 days and put out for an article 74 review. So except our demotion.
or
we’re going to come after you further that’s even though he’s asking to go back to serve the fire department as a deputy chief and not going to even argue that that’s what, but they, they want to suspend him for 30 days and do an article for what, what are they going to do
to do? An article,
for, for what investigation, what reveal do they need to do?
There’s nothing in his file. It seems clear that this is a situation where they’ve decided that. They don’t want him there. And they work backwards from that decision. Yeah. And they, they he doesn’t go with the flow with them. He questions things. And if they say he has to do X, Y, and Z, he does it, but he questions that any questions or in writing.
So there’s quite a bit of communication and writing to back up. Everything that has happened over specifically, probably this past year, maybe a little bit less, but everything that he has questioned is in writing. And most of the decisions that have been made, especially those last six months were against his own advisement of running the department.
But the mayor chose his way. That’s that’s truly incredible. You know, again, it’s, it’s, it’s really sad to see and, and, you know, if you’re seeing this, you don’t, you don’t know Tom, you might think, well, man, it sounds like maybe is this guy like a rebel? Is that, is he,
know,
It couldn’t be further from the truth.
He’s probably one of the most easygoing, friendliest guys you can ever meet. And you can see that. In the response all over social media, where people are talking about it, everybody knows Tom, everybody knows the other firefighters. And they’re shocked that you could treat folks that have dedicated themselves to this town in such a way.
And it’s, again, if you have an agenda, you have a plan. You want to do something differently. You know, that is to some degree, the prerogative of a mayor and a village board. But there’s procedures,
right. And this thing just
reeks of inappropriateness and, and just reeks of all kinds of questions that
know, maybe
aren’t there.
Maybe there’s maybe there’s
corruption, maybe
everything’s above board. And the mayor’s really trying just to do the best for his town. But man, he is not going about it the right way now. And here’s the deal, you know, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with doing a review of a department and procedural reveal.
I need an operational review. There’s nothing wrong with that. But for one reason, why do you have to pull the chief out to do so? And two, if that’s the case and we have all of these discrepancies at the village
board
and the mayor. So office and their procedures. Why w if that’s the responsible thing to do, and you’re stating that in your press release, that that’s what you need to do because it’s responsible for the village.
Why are we not doing that back on their end also? Exactly. Are there, are there double standards? And clearly, clearly there are, because they, we also have the deputy mayor who threatened somebody in, in a village email to physically harm them. But he’s still sitting in his position. He also threatened somebody Monday morning on Facebook, a village resident, and told the village residents to build a well in their yard.
If they don’t like what’s going on with the water. That’s. That’s what the deputy mayor’s response was to village residents that don’t agree with some of the things or questioning things. And you know, there’s actually stuff that came out this morning. I won’t share yet. Have another verbal, very aggressive thing for the resident, but nobody’s questioning that are reviewing that or, or investigating that.
Well, th that’s a story that’s in the media, you can look it up. And I apologize for not having the exact quote ready, right this second, but. I believe this man said something to the effect. Again, this is a village board member speaking to a citizen of taxpayer, something to the effect of if I ever see when public I’ll cut your fingers.
Correct. Which is just a most random insult, like never imagined, but.
I got the most,
And actually followed up, he followed up with a few threats with that same citizen on, through that email in different ways, as well as on a radio show afterwards. But
no investigation
for that guy. No, he’s still, he’s still serving our community.
Cool. Maybe, maybe that’s the problem. Maybe Tom should
know,
be obnoxious in public more and he would be more popular with the village. I don’t know. Right.
It’s
it’s truly incredible. We are going to keep track of this story
here
on three, one five live. We’re gonna try to figure out what’s going on.
Ilian is an incredible place. And unfortunately, through economic downturns and things like that has, has lost a lot. They don’t have a lot of money. There’s a lot of challenges, but this is no way to run it. You know, the fire department is one of the best assets. In the village. It is one of the most well known in the state.
it’s well known in the state. It’s one of the most recognized,
departments in the state w for how they run it.
for how they run it. It’s
very sad. It’s, it’s a sad situation
sad situation right now.
And, and you mentioned it’s slightly off topic, but you mentioned the water real quick. Let me ask you is, is the water situation fixed and Elliot? No, it’s not fixed.
It’s not fixed. And they’re raised and they’re raising rates without which, you know, that, that, that comes with the territory. But at the same time I’d like to
like to question
what happened with money this past year, have, have we been fiscally responsible? Could we have
have avoided
A tax raise for our water specifically that is hitting everybody really hard in the first place, because everybody already has to mostly by their own separate drinking water for almost every household already.
So what other places could we have saved such as all of these lawyers fees, things like that. So the tea, excuse me. The tap water is undrinkable. They state it is, but it’s Brown and this is, this is something that Erin Brockovich.
the
Erin Brockovich has talked about the New York.
That’s how bad the water is.
It’s
Detroit scale. And our focus is a fire department that, you know, based on, it sounds like if you boil this all back,
go to their
excuse. This is all based on the account of a disgruntled employee. I mean, that’s really dangerous to rounding all of these decisions based on the investigation.
So all of this investigation, the investigation, which finds that that’s fine, that they need to go there, but there are so many other moving pieces that they’re not speaking to that do exist. So that’s the issue we understand that can not speak about the investigation. But we only have one member under investigation as of our knowledge.
So anything else that applies to that or. Outside of that, we are speaking to because these are taxpayers who are don’t know what’s going on and this is their money and their services. And they
they deserve to know
crazy, crazy times happen in a small village but I’m, I’m cautiously optimistic that the people of the town now kind of, becoming aware of these things is going to.
Make a big impact and hopefully in the right direction. You know, like I said, everybody knows you, they know the other folks aside from, you know, in public service and the fire department, all of these guys are heavily involved in the community, doing all kinds of things and charities and fundraising events and just helping the neighbors.
for
It’s endless, it’s a close knit community and they all know that. That these gentlemen in particular do not deserve this type of thing. So we’ll, we’ll be interested to see where it goes from here. What, what excuses and explanations come from this, especially after this kind of media blitz that’s taking place right now.
And, and we’ll, we’ll keep on it and that’s all we can do, I guess. Well, I
I appreciate it. I appreciate
You know, letting me come out and voice some of this, it, it needs to get out there in the right ways and the responsible ways this isn’t a personal tack on people. This is P you know, administration messing with people’s lives very specifically and in many improper ways.
So we need to, we need to
to,
and the last
I’ll say is I got to commend you for
that because A lot of other people would handle this in another way. A lot of people would go right for attacking the mayor in ways that he is potentially personally attacked others. You know, you’ve seen other people embattled folks like this lashing out on Facebook and doing all these things, none of these firefighters are doing it.
And you’ll know, we’re, we’re talking to a wife of a firefighter and. A lot of the social media buzz has, has come from the wives. You know, these gentlemen are doing everything they can to be professional and act, right. And not. Make things worse at the same time. You know, they’re getting their, their faces beat in by the village and, and, and I, and I kept my, you know, I kept quiet for a really long time cause Tom held the position of chief and it just, it, it wasn’t responsible of me to speak up.
If I knew the backlash, he was already getting without me speaking up, but things have changed and they changed very drastically this week. And the only way to make a change is to get people informed. It’s not too. You know, it’s, it’s not to demean people that are in these positions, but it’s to get people informed and making sure everything is just, and everything is right by these public servants.
Well, I think that’s
key and
I think what we’re both saying here is if there’s one piece of advice for the people in the village of Ilion it’s attend these meetings. Yeah, I think they’re what mostly virtual now. They’re, they’re holding in-person meetings now. They are a mix of both. So they do some zoom, some, some in person.
It sounds like they are going to get a lot more in attendance. So it’s, we’ll see how this goes. And I have posted on my own Facebook page, a list of questions that people should be asking to answers. So they know, you know, we’re not just going in with emotion because that’s not going to get us anywhere.
If we want our voice heard, we, we need to ask questions, but people need to know what questions to ask. And they just don’t because they’re, they don’t know the situation. So, hand in your questions to ask them, let’s ask them. That’s good answers. That’s great, Jen, thank you so much for joining us. I really hope that again, the situation gets it’s ironed down and we can get back to just.
Enjoying things and, you know, making the town a little better place to live rather than fighting for the basics. Yeah, I know. I appreciate it. Thanks for, you know, calling me in here today, anytime, anytime.


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