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CNY 2.0 | The Matt Masur Show Full Episode 3-4-21

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CNY 2.0 | The Matt Masur Show Full Episode 3-4-21

On today’s show, Matt gets in to some updates on Gov. Cuomo, Dr. Suess, and some BREAKING NEWS from Ilion, NY. Later in the show representatives from the Herkimer 9 Project join the show and tell us about what they are doing for Herkimer, NY and the Mohawk Valley in general.

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CNY 2.0 The Matt Masur Show Full Episode 3-4-21
Matt Masur man, Masur show
pumping into some good stuff this morning.
None of that nonsense. Well, we’ve got a lot of good stuff going on today. I’m echoing in my headphone because I’m monitoring my own stream. Like a nerd. What’s going on, everybody. Matt, Masur Matt Masur show here with you on a Thursday, we got a lot of crazy things going on. We got a lot of fun things to talk about later in the show.
I’ve got a couple of guests. I’m very excited about. I’ve got some folks from the Herkimer nine organization. These are the people that we told you about who’s last week or the week before, but they are behind a massive effort to redevelop parts of Herkimer New York and bring some business and bring some sports and community activities to the area once again.
And I’m pretty excited to talk to them. About exactly what’s going on. We can get some real questions answered beyond the nonsense that the media sort of half covered Jack and Mo cook and show on the chat every day. Yo Jay, I just gotta, thank you, man. You are one of the most loyal show followers since we brought back the Matt Masur show.
And I just, I genuinely appreciate that and I hope you know that.
We got a bunch of cool things going on, things that I’m kind of excited about for a long time, I’ve wanted to get to a place where I could do things like this, where I have my business in, in this isn’t really my business. I don’t know. A lot of people don’t necessarily know that a lot of people think that the podcast is the only way I make my living.
It’s not. I have a technology company and I, and I offer a variety of services, but I’ve reached the point in that where I have the flexibility and I’ve set the schedule. That’s why we do the show first thing in the morning so I can knock it out. And then I can go about my regular business, but that gives me the ability to do things that I really want to do, which are like help people.
Right. So I started this thing during the pandemic, really as a way to. Stay sane. This thing called the merchant link. It’s a t-shirt shop. I’ve always in business sold services. I’ve sold my time. I’ve sold software, but I I’ve never, I’ve never made a physical thing. So it’s always been a fascination of mine.
So, you know, throughout the pandemic, I realized I can make clothing t-shirts sweatshirts, things like that. Very easily, very low cost. I can actually try to figure out how to market and sell a thing. So I started the merchant link online t-shirt shop. There’s some funny stuff, there’s some offensive, t-shirts, there’s all kinds of cool stuff.
But again, it, that was in, in is a project that’s really more of a learning expedition. I’m trying to figure out how to get into this world of marketing and selling project products. Because that’s something that I help customers do. Right. So I decided that I would do the proceeds or a portion of the proceeds.
Anyway, obviously we gotta pay for the, the overhead of the thing, but we’re going to take a portion of the proceeds and we’re going to use them for a good cause we’re going to spend them with local. We’re going to spend that money with local restaurants, local caterers, and with it, we’re going to purchase food that we’re going to donate to healthcare workers, nurses, doctors.
AIDS, every other position that I do not want to offend because they are just as important as any of the ones I’ve already mentioned. And we’re to the point where we’re going to do that. So, I am working on getting a hold of, of Dick from smoke, incorporated, barbecue. He’s the first local restaurant that’s going to cook some food for folks and we’re going to be placed in that order.
But then yesterday on the show, if you caught it. And if you haven’t, you should probably go check it out. Wink, wink. We were covering this story of a community fridge being opened up or being placed, I guess you would say in Herkimer New York in this community fridge I don’t know if you’d say movement, maybe movement.
It’s something that’s happening across the country. This is not a government program by any means. This is not supported by any, any public agency. This is a, a human effort, a mutual aid effort from neighbors, helping neighbors who are hungry. And basically they’re putting refrigerators in public places and people are coming and donating food and people that are hungry can stop by and grab some it’s awesome.
We had this idea. I remember years ago for libraries, you remembered like the mini libraries people would set up in front of their house and you can come take a book, leave a book, that type of thing. It’s cool. Utica has one that needs a new location. That’s right. And, and so thank you Jack, for helping me move along.
My meandering story here. After doing that story yesterday, I said, well, this is awesome. And I want them to get more publicity. So what can I do to help? And I’m thinking to myself, I’m, I’m based in Syracuse. I’m from iLien New York. It’s my home. I’ve lived in Herkimer. But I live outside of Syracuse now and I’m thinking, well, I want to put some food in that Herkimer fridge.
And then I got thinking, why don’t I document my trip from Syracuse to Herkimer. Filling that fridge, but of course, what fun would that be? It’s just me driving down the thruway. So instead I’ve lined up a few local businesses that are going to give me some donations and I was originally gonna do this all live.
I was going to do live hits every place I stopped to pick up a donation. But the problem with that is it’s only going to be like a five minute visit and it takes that long for people to even realize that you’ve gone live, especially if it’s not at a prescheduled time. So I think the live hits is kind of a silly thing.
I’m going to take lots of photographs that I will be posting on the spot throughout the day, but I’m also bringing my high-end video equipment that I’ve purchased right at the start of the pandemic and have barely been able to use I’m going to be bringing some video equipment and we’re going to be shooting some footage of all the different places that we’re making pickups from.
And then of course we will end up in Herkimer I’m working at trying to get the folks that put that thing in place to hopefully if their schedules align can meet us when we’re down in her commercial, I can do a little interview and talk to about what they’re doing, but the biggest thing is, you know, we’re going to be hopefully filling this fridge.
Thanks to a lot of people from across central New York. Now, now what Jack said is that the Utica one is, is down. I guess you would say they need a new location for it. It’s not operational my original plan before I knew that was to put some food in the Utica fridge and some in the Herkimer fridge. It’s not going to be all about Herkimer just because the Utica one is down.
And this of course does not have to be a one-time thing. And the idea here will be to encourage other people to do the same thing. The nice thing about a refrigerator is, you know, normally when you donate food, it’s got to be a non-perishable shelf, stable things like that. We’re talking about a fridge and people are probably going to take it not long after you’ve put it in there.
So obviously you don’t want things that are, are spoiled or close to spoiling in the fridge. But I think this gives you some more options of the types of food that you can donate and, and maybe even a little better food. Then hungry food, hungry folks might be able to eat. So I’m excited about that.
That’s going to happen on Friday. We’ve got a lot of folks we’ve got to at belly and our studios is signed up. Nick Passalaqua law firm has locations in Utica and Syracuse is signed up. Beth at nine automotive is going to be kicking in. It’s really cool. It’s going to be a community effort.
Jack from the jacket Mo show, of course, as in, when he talk about anything food, Jack’s like, listen, I’m in. And of course his mission is to help folks and give them nutritious meals. So this is kind of right up his alley. So, happy to have Jackie in as well. I’m, I’m optimistic that between us all we’re going to have a pretty big load and, and fill that refrigerator and that’s going to be just fucking awesome, man.
I’m very excited about it. It’s the whole point of you know, back to the, to bring this full circle. The reason I started talking about how lucky I am to be at the point where I am self-employed and I have control of these things that gives me the ability to take a random Friday and do something that makes me no money, but makes me feel way better than a check.
Honestly. That’s what it’s all about, right? It’s going to do some news real quick.
The first thing we got, this is how quick we’re going to do these stories. Cause I don’t want to beat this shit to death. I’m not even going to put it on the screen. There is a small update in the governor Cuomo saga. He had not been seen in public the last couple of days when all these allegations were coming out, then yesterday suddenly all the news feeds, governor Cuomo is going to speak again.
Oh, here we go. He gave a standard covert update. You then addressed the allegations, admitted them, said, yep. I did those things. Didn’t realize they were wrong. Which I’m not sure is a lie, but it’s also not necessarily an excuse, but then boiled down to the moral of the story here. He’s not leaving or at least not yet.
So there was no resignation. There was no any of that. There was he told us that the attorney general was engaging in an investigation, which we all knew and that he would cooperate fully. This story I believe is far from over, but that’s where we’re at today. The other thing I want to talk about real, real quickly, this is almost one of those anti topics.
And one of the things I’m trying to do on this show is highlights and things that people aren’t really talking about. And there are some things that are big issues that I can’t ever keep my mouth shut about. So I’m going to talk about them. There are other things that animals feel like are troll stories.
They’re nonsense. They don’t mean anything, but they do a good job of whipping people up for no good reason. We’re seeing this right now with this Dr. Seuss situation, in a nutshell, the people that own Dr. Seuss has don’t know if it’s necessarily his estate or the foundation that owns the rights to his work and everything.
They are the people in charge of Dr. Seuss’s stuff said, we’re, we’re not going to let out. We’re not going to license. A handful of his old really by today’s standards, racist work. Okay. People are up in arms in this, and this is the same type of thing. This is kind of like the Mr. Potato head thing.
People give these types of stories of life, of their own, where. They’re outraged because they think people have demanded this. And this is horrible. And this is cancel culture. Cancel culture would be if people demanded that, right. If people protested, if the culture said, Hey, you got to do this. All right, maybe you’d have an argument, but it doesn’t it’s it’s the organization, the people that own it, same as the antrum Ima situation.
The people that run the company. Make a marketing change. They realize, Hey this isn’t cool anymore and times do change. And that, that happens guys like that’s and that’s okay. It’s okay to say that things, some things in the past that may be, maybe weren’t even cool in the past, but you could get away with now.
You can’t that’s all right. And when these companies say, Hey, listen, we just. What a respect today? Not because of outcry, not because of any nonsense. We just think it’s the right thing to do as time moves on. That’s literally what they’re supposed to do. This is literally how you just keep your organization moving in it and make it a part of today’s world instead of yesterdays.
Also, it has zero effect on anyone’s life.
Important part you might want to keep in mind there. Anytime we argue about any of these things,
literally doesn’t mean I didn’t even know these particular works existed. They obviously aren’t ones in circulation. We’re not talking about green eggs and ham. And yeah, they were, they were pretty bad. They were like some black minstrel cartoons and shit. If I was the organization that, that owned them and had the ability to license them, or if you were, are you telling me that you wouldn’t say, yeah, listen, we’re gonna, we’re going to put those ones in the Disney vault and leave them locked up for awhile, but not really the worst decision ever,
nor should it be controversial. Remember KFC remember used to be called Kentucky fried chicken. Did they change their name because of cancel culture? No, they changed their mind because we got to the point where fried food was seen as unhealthy. And that’s not good for them. That attitude changed used to be fried food finger looking good, man.
That’s that’s what we want. That’s why they were called Kentucky fried chicken. Back in the day times changed attitudes. Chained changed. So they said, listen, KFC is a better name for us. That change was made. What, 20 years ago. Now it seems like yesterday, but it was really long time ago.
Before our interview, I want to get into some more local news. This is some continuing coverage of what’s going on in the village of Ilion. And this is, this is some breaking news we got on this shit.
Big changes. Big changes were announced last night, not by Ilion, but by the city of little falls about changes to Ilion’s fire department. Now, if you already know what I’m talking about, you might, because if you listen to the interview with Jennifer, When we originally started talking about this story about a week ago now, a little less than a week ago, she mentioned that there was a potential plan to bring in a chief from another department to effectively merge departments.
But of course that’s only speculation because nobody heard that in any sort of board meeting. Nobody saw that in a press release. It’s not something the mayor ran on. He didn’t stump on the idea, but suddenly people are thinking, Hey, I think this is what, what he wants to do.
And then of course, last night we get news. I gave it to you right here. Now the story Ilion and little falls, we’ll share a fire chief, but it’s only temporary and part-time for three months, two days a week, four hours per day, little falls fire chief Rob greasy will go.
So two days a week for four hours a day.
So right off the bat, the idea is we’re going to go. Part-time like super part-time chief, who also has another department to, to worry about. And by the way, if there’s a call in little falls during his four hours a million, you know, he’s going there, Jack, I’ll turn that up for you. I’m sorry.
Over to the iLien department. No money will change hands instead. Ilions, treasurer. We’ll help out in little falls is treasury department little falls has already approved the shared services agreement. The Ilion village board will vote on Monday to members of the Ilian fire department are under investigation.
Now, if you heard that part,
they just said little falls voted on it. You only, it won’t vote on it until Monday Ilian hasn’t even talked about it. This is a massive change to illions fire department and the people of the city of little falls computer stop.
there’s Alexa, trying to take over the show again.
They’ve they’ve clearly made these decisions completely behind closed doors. Decisions that are make a major impact on public safety. After the mayor says a letter was sent to the village by a former employee. So clearly
this is a matter of, this was a plan we had all along. It’s really hard to implement this plan of merging departments. And I guess basically getting a a free chief,
We got to get rid of the one that’s there and, and, Oh, by the way, he’s got another deputy, the next guy in line that would might, maybe would have been the natural choice field promotion. If you will, we better knock him out of play too. I don’t know for a fact that’s, what’s in play here.
But dammit, it seems suspect
Jack and Mo cooking show says I would love to hear what Jennifer thinks about it. Well, lucky for you. I happen to have a Facebook post from, from Jennifer right here, a few things our village taxpayer should think about and ask about she posted this right before Showtime. And we will get Jennifer back on to talk about it, but I think she might still be out of town.
I’d like to at least let her enjoy that. The mayor is referring to Tom as a person and Tom again is her husband and, and was the chief and Lillian. The mayor is still referring to Tom as a person under investigation and turning out accusations to the public. Tom has not been suspended nor is on administrative leave regarding an investigation of any sort.
Seems mildly slanderous in my professional legal opinion, provisional chief, which was very close to becoming chief was removed with no explanation again, that was Tom. And it is very interesting that right before he was about to take that,
that job, that, that upgrade upgrade that permanent position, rather, the plug was pulled. It’s almost like that with the last chance to do so. There’s no process. Okay. There’s been no process to even consider changing services in this municipality, or there is a process rather, I’m sorry, I’m trying to read two things at once.
There’s a process for even considering changing critical services like this in a municipality. And of course this has not been filed again. There’s been no discussion whatsoever. Another. The other party, the other municipality has voted on it. People, Amelia, this is the first they’re hearing of it. I mean, this is ludicrous right or wrong, whether this is the right decision for the village or not.
I don’t think anyone could debate. That it’s absurd that the people of this village have heard nothing of this idea when clearly it’s a longstanding idea. Clearly it wasn’t just thought up in the last three days as a way to take care of this situation. There are other deputy chiefs in the Ilian fire department that you could easily name the temporary head.
If you were neat, if you needed to deal with something with the current chief, which again is an investigation and is not even finalized. So. Why wouldn’t you just ask one of your own guys to step up for three months,
right? This is, this is so bizarre on so many levels. And, and the thing about it is, and again, I’ll repeat this, maybe it’s for the best of intentions, but this is absolutely not the way you handle it. It’s, it’s absolutely absurd. That anyone think would think that they could conduct public business this way?
I I’m sorry. And I realized there’s people in Ilion that are upset with me. Even speaking of this, how dare I,
but somebody got it. This is absurd. And listen, I might not live in the village civilian today, but I’m attached payer in the state of New York. Where they get a significant amount of their funding. So I have as much reason to have concern about how that needs to palate. He spends his money as I do the one I live in little ways away, down the thruway.
This is absurd and good people are being dragged through the mud for, for an agenda. I absolutely still have family there. I got people I’m not related to. I consider family there,
everyone there with the exception. I mean, there is a local asshole here and there, but for the most part, everyone iLien are good people. And the fire department is one of its best assets, knowing that there are some of the best trained, ready to go professionals. Seconds away can save your house, not just pour water on it, as it burns to the ground.
Folks that can get there in time to save your life with medical care. These are the guys we’re going to mess with. This is the service in the village that we’re going to cut. Cause we got hard times. Meanwhile, the water is Brown. I don’t know my friends.
I am as confused as you.
Oh man. Good times. Good times. Before we bring our guests on let’s let’s Let’s let’s switch to a happier tune for a moment. The jacket Mo cooking show is a pretty cool thing. And this is, you know, one of the reasons that I’ve been helping Jack and been working with him on his businesses because he’s another one of these folks that has a great mission.
He’s not a guy who one day said, I know how I’m going to become a billionaire. I’m going to sell some scam cookbook. He said, I want to start a business that helps people with something I need help with, which is spending more time in the kitchen with my daughter, connecting family, sitting down at a table and having dinner again.
It’s a cool thing. And there’s a lot of reasons why a lot of people, these days can’t pull that off and we certainly can’t blame them. But if you can make an opportunity for that to happen, that’s where it’s at. So Jack decided, well, the best way to facilitate this and help encourage this is show people how to do it.
So he’s created a whole line of videos and cookbooks, and he’s got a lot more coming and he does in the past pre COVID. He did a lot of in-person. Demos and, and classes, I guess you would call them moving those to the virtual world, obviously, as, as most people are, but you can go see a lot of his stuff on his Facebook pages right now, now for free.
And he’s got simple recipes that aren’t expensive. This isn’t one of those cooking shows where they list 10 ingredients. You’ve never heard of. You can get them all at like a regular person, grocery store. Although I almost do want to do I almost, you know, what, what we should do is we should take Jack and we should like send him to a whole foods and tell him he can only make meals out of things we can’t pronounce and just see what he comes up with.
I think that might be like a genuine blast, but I don’t know. Guys, we’re just about ready. Our our guests are lining up here on the line and we’re going to talk, we’ve been talking a lot of Herkimer lately and you know what I’m okay with? That is, as I mentioned, that’s that’s of not necessarily where I’m from, I’m from Ilion, but I’ve lived in Herkimer since the neighboring town, I went to Herkimer County community college.
Fantastic school. Harvard on the Hill as we call it. And there’s a group of people who have come together to make this cool little town even better. And I can’t say enough good things about that. So without further ado, let’s see if we can’t get this thing going.
Joining us. Get your volume going.
Get you guys on the screen.
Here we go. So joining us. Is two representatives from the Herkimer nine organization. Now, again, this is the organization we told you about a little while ago. They are working hard to do amazing things in the village of Herkimer. Brian Carroll is the COO and Jordan and forgive me, Jordan, but I don’t remember your, your official title.
It’s program director, program, director of the Herkimer nine organization. I want to thank both of you for joining us. It’s it’s really awesome to have you you know, we first kind of heard this story whispered about in the media. And I said, what is this? This sounds awesome. And we looked into it and talked about it and, and Jordan reached out and said, Hey, we saw you talked about this and we’re so glad cause that’s exactly what we want people to do.
So she very courteously offered to join us and actually tell us some real details. And I’m so excited to have you and, and Brian. It’s great to meet you and have you on the show as well. If, if you’d like to tell us, you know, what, tell us what’s going on. Tell us the story. Hear the pitch.
Yeah. Hi, I’m I’m Brian Carroll. So it’s nice to meet you. I don’t generally do podcasts because I’m, you know, an old guy and you know that new tech, so it’s good to see you bridging technology into this area. So I appreciate that. And I appreciate your show. So. Just share where you’re familiar. And I’m originally from Herkimer grew up in the South of the fifties, sixties, and seventies, and left into the air force.
And then I attacked and then came back into the region about 35 years later looking at Herkimer and saying, Ooh, what happened? Because when I was a kid it definitely was something that you can feel safe on main street and you can enjoy a full breadth of. Activities and services and you could be a community.
That’s what I call a bedroom community. And that was days that would be manufacturing, maybe the future it’s the nail senators and things going on out there. And so on where people can come back and rest their bones and take their family out and go to dinner and have some entertainment and then go back home or whatever that doesn’t seem to be an obvious today.
And so, I’m also the chairman of the planning board. Okay. In 2018, we put together the master plan 2020, which if anyone wants to go look at all the, how you make a sausage and what the sausage looks like in the end, you can go to VO Herkimer 20 and you can download the content of the master plan and see all the vigilance that went through to develop it.
And the reason I say that is because it kind of brings up what we’re doing in the Herkimer nine world is Scott Flansburg who’s also from Herkimer is also what the industry in the world calls the human calculator. He saw the master plan, his sister still lives here, and it became obvious to him that, you know, Herkimer was downtrodden just through life and you know, this repair and so on.
And he combined that with. The book and let me just turn away from the camera for a second and look up this book up. This is fun, Jordan. There you go. I grew up with basketball and I grew up with basketball was written by Frank J Pat is a little, 1952 when it all names and details. The activity that the individual called Lambert Wil was involved in.
And that’s part of the piece that you wrote up where he was actually involved worked at the YMCA. And help to really develop the rules of basketball during its infancy. And we don’t believe he got enough credit. He was posted in his information, was posted in the in the hall of fame in Springfield for a year.
And then somebody yanked that out because they felt that it’s something they didn’t want to itch. Oh, wow. But what Scott was looking at is, you know, why can’t we bring the basketball history back into Herkimer. And that really is kind of the core of what we call her from her nine. So through her compliance program and the hurricane program, actually composes of two different forms of business initiative, one is a for-profit side and that would include placing within what we’d call the, the block between main street and prospect with church at his North border.
In that block area would be placed a, a, what we call the Lambert we’ll field house and event center. And that actually would be a 5,000 seats stadium event place where basketball could be played. Volleyball could be played. Concerts could be had shows, could be delivered in. That’s really kind of like the, the core to bring visitors and tourists into the area for a purpose.
And. That automatically opens up with a lot more individuals coming through the region, instead of just flying off to, you know, old forge or down to Cooperstown, they actually have a reason to stop and stay. And, and so that opens up other things that are in that same timeframe of the Lambertville, which is the Palmer house.
The Palmer house is really a disrepair. It’s a hotel of, of grand jury back in the day. And that would be part of what we classify as the hospitality end of this, where that Palmer house and the apartments across the street from it all being in the 18 hundreds and early 19 hundreds, when they were built, that would actually be the hotel and suites area so that we could actually accommodate tourism, tourists, and people also the, a Masonic temple, which is up the road a bit from.
It’s right near the four corners, which is the historic Fort partners. Yeah. I actually had a conversation with someone who, whose name, I can’t say, but is actually from Herkimer and as a chef, does, you’re a chef grander, like you were talking about the guy before as the book and all that. So this guy is actually a kind of sewer kind of chef, but all over the world worked in worked at heck.
The Olympics, he actually ran the Olympics, the food service, and then the Marriott, the Marriott corporate. Then he’s all this vision. And we actually had a conversation with him yesterday, and we want to turn the Masonic temple into a what I’ll call a little bit more upscale than Applebee’s, but not crazy in the bottom floor.
And then on the upper floor have a banquet hall because people that are doing sporting events want to be able to meet in large masses and do things. So. And so you can see that also the Quackenbush, the Quackenbush has a learning center in our mind, right? 50 inventions were there like the, the ladder and the bicycle and the BB and all these things from Quackenbush.
So that building, we want to turn into what we call a youth steam, which is science, technology, engineering, arts, and math center in the bottom. The second floor would be an adults team, meaning individuals that want to shift their, their skillset can learn new technologies and learn new skills and actually become part of a.
We’ll call it a digital workforce. And then on the top floor would be the incubator lab and the incubator lab would actually enable people to be able to say, I got an idea. Let me, let me, let me start, you know, flushing it out. And so that incubator lab and business development center would allow the birthing of, of new ideas, new businesses, new industries, who knows.
And so. You can begin to see, you know, what we’re looking to do is really kind of like back to the future. You know, we want to take things from the past, give them a a real clear face, but within the program of Herkimer nine, it really begins to, you know, kind of umbrella these activities. The steam would be not-for-profit.
We also looked at the park. I don’t know if you’ve ever went past the dump when I was a kid. We used to actually go dump picking for copper and brass and aluminum. Right? Bring it a little Dolly down and filling up and drop back and sell it. So that beyond the, the dump is this we call it, I, we just term it point park because it goes to a point.
And in there we’re working with the Erie group to see how we can take that, which is about 30 something acres. Plus the land that’s behind Lowe’s, which is about 60 acres. Both of those would be kind of, kind of be point park. And as the movie said in a river, ran through it. Right. So that begins to enable us the ability to have biking, nature, trails, pavilions.
And so I incredible. So you begin to see how this begins to shape out. We also were talking to the library yesterday. We think they’re a vital part of learning and education. And so they’re currently in a building that they’re, you know, having funding to repair the roof and all these other things. And we’d like to take that and say, is that where you want to be?
Or, and if so, how do we facade that building? So it fits into what we’d call the motif of the 1890s and early, early 19 hundreds. But you can begin to see how this has so many different tentacles. And we’re getting a lot of excitement from individuals that are on the board, individuals, in the industry, individuals in basketball.
And a lot of people that left and said in Jordan’s one of the, Jordan’s one of them she left and they said, wait, something’s going on? And whoosh, she came back. So hopefully, you know, the pride, what, what, what I find is when I talk to people from Herkimer as with myself, you know, I grew up here and you kind of leave, but never forget.
And the point is so many people have reminisces of good times and comfort and happiness, and they come back and they become sorrowful and we really want to take and make it so that, you know, they have pride, but now they have a reason to stay or come back and visit or reference friends to it because it really can be what it was before.
So. I know I went through a lot of stuff, but so much of that speaks to me specifically, you know, the coming back cause I’ve, you know, I live outside of the Syracuse area right now and I love what I consider my home and I still consider it my home, even though I, you know, I haven’t necessarily lived there for many years now.
And, and the idea of having opportunity to come back for and, and the idea of you know, being able to draw. So much of the talent, because a lot of people will tell you for years, we’ve got in a very close radius, all these wonderful educational institutions, and we’ve got well-educated well-trained folks that.
Take that and go somewhere else. Just because of, you know, and you certainly can’t blame them. It’s a matter of their opportunities. So as we’re building opportunities at home, as I consider it, I couldn’t love that more. And especially when you talk about incubators, there’s a special place in my heart for, for incubators as a startup owner and somebody who got a lot of advantage in an incubator when I got my start and to see these things.
Again, in the Valley is, is almost unheard of these are types of things that you, you don’t generally see when we’re talking about economic development and new things and you know, in that region. And, and to hear people talk about bringing that to Herkimer New York is just absolutely phenomenal to hear.
So I, I, I couldn’t commend you folks anymore for what you’re doing. Let me ask it yesterday. We had Herkimer County legislator on John Stevens and he was touting a lot of the successes of economic development in Herkimer County. And I mentioned this to them and it seems that they are very excited about it, but he has a, a question that I think a lot of people might be one of their main questions is these are awesome ideas.
How does it get paid for, how does it, how does it become a reality. Yeah. So, so let me hit on that in, in two fronts, right? I’m a businessman, by the way I left, as you did left, the area went on to high tech worked in software, started a consulting company, built a software company, sold that software company and blah, blah, blah.
Right. And so, you know, from the, from the business side, the only way that you can do something of this type of this scale is really to be able to tickle the minds of people that want to get a return on their investment. As well as in bell you know, enable the development of an environment that has the human story alongside it.
Right? Sure. And so that’s why, what we look at is this framework of intimately, intimately tying together that which enriches the community, which is, you know, bringing something back into it, but also enables individuals, whether it’s on the hospitality side or it’s on the. Events side to be able to have money coming back from what it gets invested.
And that’s where we think, you know, we’re putting together business profiles and proformas that really speak to not gouging the world, but enabling the world and having individuals that are investor worthy to be able to come in. So we’ve actually had a lot of connections with a range of individuals, both in the region, from the region and outside the region.
I don’t know if you know Scott Flansburg history, but. You know, he’s set the Guinness book of world records for 20 something years in, in adding numbers. And, and he’s, you know, just so you can’t, you can’t you get amazed every time he demonstrates his skill, but that has, that has allowed him to rub shoulders with so many individuals Alice Cooper, we believe who he golfs with all the time.
Well, and that, by the way, it’s weird. My first concert. Then I went to what was in Utica and it was Alice Cooper and first concert. Yeah, the first concert we’re going to happen. And we opened up the event center is Alice Cooper because, but that, that whole range of individuals are, are itching to put money into this, not only his donation, but also as investment, but we’re trying to first grab from the inside.
One of the things we’re looking to do. Is, and I think Jordan can kind of pick one up and show is we’re going to sell bricks. One of the, I know that sounds weird, but the, the, between the event center and the Quackenbush building, and you can get information about this program up in veal, her, excuse me, her from are and Herkimer
You can download what we have the Delta plan. And those bricks will lay between the center and the block and wish in a park area. And they’ll, we’ll etch the names of individuals. So if you’re from now in South Carolina and you want to buy a brick and it costs a hundred bucks, well now guess why you just invested in her current future, right?
And so those kinds of things, you look at the high end individuals that have tens of millions, which we know of, which we have contact with. And you have the people that would just want to give a couple hundred bucks and have their name be on the platform between, you know, within this space. It kind of allows all those things to fall together.
Just so you’re aware. One of the things that generally happens when you do something of this size that you really want to collect and connect with it, a developer. And so we’ve really been holding off, pulling money in until the developer. Now we’re finalizing our agreement and I can’t say who it will be, but we will announce it and are local.
And there’ll be actually taking on the developer role, which will then enable us to be able to bring the money in and put it to use immediately. Because some of the things you gotta do, like opportunity zones, which are investments, where if you put in a million dollars and you make 250,000, that’s 250,000 is tax free.
And so, but you got to use it within 90 days of it being put in or 180. And so it really gets into timeliness. So I, I would say to, you know, your audience, that what we really know is that there’s a lot of people that want to invest, including the college wants to invest. The community foundation is providing investment.
There’s a lot that are in the local region and outside this region, this will become a reality. And it does take time realize we just started this last August. So this is kind of like, you know, light speed or digital speed when it comes to moving forward on things. So I appreciate the question, but hopefully I gave sufficient and answer with enough ambiguity.
I think he really did. I think one of the things that. Folks worry about is this is one of those projects that is going to be hinged on, you know, the state giving a huge grant and, and things like that. And, you know, because unfortunately the area has seen things like that and, and lots of promises and they haven’t come to fruition.
And unfortunately mostly from politicians, but here we have. Private folks who from the sounds of things have a very solid plan for some private funding that would make sense the area, and especially a project like this would be an incredible investment for a lot of folks. And, and it’s nice to see that you know, you guys have a plan that sounds more than sustainable, and you’re clearly getting your ducks in a row.
Like you said, you’ve got to have these different pieces, but You know, I think you definitely answered the question and and I think that was the, the answer I was hoping to hear. Yeah. Let, let me, let me get one more topic, because remember we’re talking about originated of seating, the basketball, the history of Asheville as clearly depicted, by the way, it just a general comment, a friend, Jay Bezlo.
Have you ever heard of the Harlem globe Trotters? The Harlem globe Trotters, where people would go around and do demonstration. Okay. Yeah. Actually Frank J Bezlo is the first one to ever create. He created the basil of globe Trotters. And if you read the book, I grew up with basketball. You’ll hear how at the age of 16.
Now this is right within the period of time of the 1890s, 1910. So on at the age of 16, he began taking the Herkimer team and Mo and going around to various places and charging. For tickets and getting money and dividing it amongst the players. And so he actually was very famous for having done all of that.
And. When he put out the book in 52, which articulates and announces the involvement of Lambert will the Herkimer YMCA, the first basketball game with the rim being developed by the Herkimer iron works and the net being D being knitted by his own mother. All of those things were first. And so the fact is in 1952, if he was wrong, if he was lying, if he was saying something wasn’t true, They would have whooped him something wicked in 1952 because those humans still existed.
Right. So, so the fact is, you know, we believe strongly that what we’re going to do is do two things. One is bring the true clarity of what happened in basketball to Herkimer. But also it’s going to create a little bit of a flare because the NBA, not the NBA, but Naismith and those that say we did it all are going to say, wait, wait, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.
And so the good thing is that there’s actually that spice of conflict and uncertainty and clarity that kind of come in and to round it all off. Scott Flansburg, the Herkimer nine is, has obtained a ABA. Now the American basketball association league is the largest non-professionally in the world. And that league now will have a game a team here called the Herkimer originals and.
We believe we’re going to be able to bring the ABA league to Herkimer. And if we can do that, then that becomes the headquartered event for the ABA. The event center becomes a hosting place for basketball in its true form. In addition to all the other things that it can do. So we’re not, we’re not stopping on one thing.
We’re not looking for one feeder pole. We’re not looking for one way of looking at business or opportunity. We’re looking at every single way that these things can all come together. So. I couldn’t love that approach anymore. We’ve got a comment in our, in our live chat and then Jordan, I, I definitely, I apologize.
It just, just guys just says this year is the General’s year. The globe Trotters are going down. Jordan, you were somebody that, that I met years ago in Utica, you’ve always been an incredible community connected figure. So it’s not shocking to hear that you were in this organization, but tell us a little bit about what, what brought you to us and what brought you to this rather?
Oh, well, it’s funny, actually, Brian mentioned that I was gone and came back, but I didn’t actually get to leave yet because we’re surviving a global apocalypse. So. I have grown up here. I lived in Herkimer, but admittedly, I was that kid that could not wait to leave. I bought my first time. I got you at Woolworths on main street and I don’t have another good memory from my childhood.
I mean, you know, that’s just, that’s the story. I I’m the sixth generation of my family to grow up in my house. So my brother and I, so my mom and my grandparents, you know, all of the stories are in our house. And it’s walking distance to main street. So my whole life, I grew up hearing these stories of what main street used to be.
And my memories are, you know, mostly a teenager going by empty buildings or just not really having a reason to be on me. So I had every intention of leaving. I lived in New York city for a little while, had some amazing opportunities came back, but lived in Utica and Clinton. And, and that opportunity now it gives me a bridge in this position.
But, you know, during this apocalypse, I took a cross country trip really safely fell in love with Colorado. Had every intention of leaving was searching for jobs of talking to realtors for apartments. And then I talked to Scott Flansburg and he told me about this project and just what was happening.
And it felt so real for the first time. It didn’t feel like something that was reliant on. You know, government funding or rely on politicians because we were all working together. And that’s, I, you know, I was talking to politicians in my first day about how exciting this is and how it’s going to work.
So that’s the difference that this makes, and that’s what gives me confidence. Now as a young person, I want to stay here now, I, now I’m looking for houses to buy here because why wouldn’t I, you know, So it just makes sense. Now I’ll be able to go to Colorado whenever I want to. And, but truth. And I hope my classmates that I graduated with an Oh nine and, you know, we.
Most of us spread, you know, and, and went all over the country. It’s not all over the world. So this is truly an opportunity like Brian said, to bring people back home to central, New York, worst mapped out in the middle of the state. This will be a place of recreation of learning. You could just stop through, it’s going to have amazing food.
There’ll be a lot of retail. Finally, back on main street. And I think the thing, the key is how community focused it is, is that we haven’t accepted a single dollar from outside of Herkimer before accepting, you know, funds that are right here. So it’s not a project to revitalize her career by changing her comer.
It’s, it’s a project to bring her back to that should beauty that I grew up six generations hearing about and seeing the architecture of, and never really, really, truly experiencing. Yeah, I think that seems clear. And, and I love that about it is, you know, even in Brian’s description. Talking about these different buildings in their history.
And, and he’s not talking about this plot of land that we’re going to build some new thing he’s talking about, you know, the Quackenbush building, that’s now going to become a historic factory and we’re going to celebrate these things and bring some life into them. And w what an incredible, what an incredible thing to do literally anywhere.
But the fact that you’re doing it right here in Herkimer obviously hits a string with me and I, and I love it. Good. Well, and I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention, you know, we are going to have so many other opportunities for her to come or just through Scott’s connections. We have the an all girl USA, national counting bee.
That’s coming up at the end of April and we’re accepted. You know, he’s accepting registrations for it now, and he’s hosting it virtually from her comer. So, you know, it’s just all of these different tentacles as Brian called it, that will be able to be introduced to Herkimer and the mayor. And I joked that all eyes are on her camera right now.
I was checking out the Google analytics on our website as announcements started to be made. And even after your first podcast came out and you know, Herkimer is getting a lot of attention right now. Rightfully so. And we haven’t really done anything yet, except for tell people that we’re doing things, you know, so it’s.
It’s really a beautiful thing to see how much a community can be uplifted with good news. Even during a global apocalypse, it’s just, you know, a really good feeling to be working on something that’s so sustainable and so optimistic. Well, one thing, one thing I want to bring up Matt is he is. As, just as if, if anyone went to VO Herkimer 20, and saw all the transparency of how we develop the master plan for the village of our comer, taking into account all voices we are really looking to be highly transparent.
So I’m hopeful. You will look at this as a story, right? If you take this as a transformation, it’s nice to be able to like when someone has a child, they. Oh, do you see the view? It’s moving on to his heart, his little feet, right? We really want you to, to help us make visible to your audience and to the world, what it is that we’re doing as it develops.
Right. Because, you know, we want to have pride in what we do as a team. And that team includes all those that, that benefit from it. They’re involved in it or their witness that isn’t the server. Right. It’s all that, that’s our Mo our motto is really to be transparent and how we develop this out. Yeah.
And, and I will be more than happy to try to help you do that. I am a big fan of, you know, documentation of, of the process and things like that. Not only for transparency methods, but you know, when you do pull this off and you end up with something amazing in this small town, It would be so wonderful to have a template that other folks in other towns could say, Hey, look, this is what could work.
And this is how we could, you know, bring America back it. I think this pandemic, the one thing that gives me a little bit of cautious optimism is I, I hope that this really being compressed and not being able to do anything, forces people to really just want to get out again. And, you know, cause even before this public attendance in events and.
Mainly organizations and things have been down. It’s my hope that this inspires folks to really become part of their community again and, and. Make us all a better place, right? Yes. True. If you didn’t take time to sit back and reflect during this pandemic, when you’re having some alone time on the things that are really important to you and not only investing your time into them, but jumping on the bandwagon, you know, so just to close when, when we say, and I’ve been posting it all over that there are opportunities for everyone.
Not only. Steam learning to be able to come and learn new technology, even right now off the ground, you know, we’ll be having a lot of opportunities, both volunteer opportunities and structural opportunities, you know, that are within the foundation and the LLC. So, our website has opportunity. It has a web.
Like a subscribe link or a full form. If you’re interested in knowing more about it, as we get going, people can sign up just to be transparent. And, you know, we’ll we’ll have an email list. Don’t seek it up to that. This is, this is how you know that Jordan is a true professional because before I was able to ask my closing question and tell people how they could get involved, she’s she’s already got it out.
So. She is a true pro and, and Brian, you have a massive asset on your hands there with her in closing Brian, anything else that that you’d like to say and tell folks that, that she didn’t just give us all that information. I think, I think you know, a lot of us from the area have what I call turn vision into reality, and it really is an instrumentation incrementing of the ambiguous to the, to the clarity and what we’re really trying to hopeful to do is.
We’re hoping we can take this general mission that we’re on. And make proof points along the way. So people really become encouraged. And even if they’re doing something totally offline in relationship to this, they can always peek out their peripheral vision and say, ah, it’s coming, it’s coming. And I really want you to hold us to that.
Right. We’re not afraid to commit to what we’re trying to do because we believe it’s going to, it’s going to move to realities and we really appreciate everyone’s involvement, participation input. So, stay tuned. Absolutely. And we will stay all over this story. It’s it’s just, again, it’s just so great to hear things moving in the right direction in that area.
And I couldn’t think U2 and Scott and Alice Cooper and all the team or the work you’ve done and, and the work that’s ahead of you. Cause I think we, we all know that’s going to be quite a. Quite a mountain. But if there was anybody that could climb it, it seems like you guys are putting it together.
So I appreciate that. And I thank you very much for joining the Matt masher show. And we will talk to you again soon. All right. Thank you very much. You guys have stay safe.
So. That was a wonderful interview. And I hope that you learned a lot. We will have that out and available for you to check out again. Herkimer is their website. That’s got the links to all the other things that that Jordan mentioned. Yeah. And if you’re watching this on YouTube or something like that, you will have the links.
We’ll put it right down in the description. So. That is it for the Matt Masur show tomorrow. Remember there is no regular live show, but, but watch all over Facebook and Instagram at Matt Masur because we’re going to be posting photos of this thing. We are filling the Herkimer community fridge. We’re going to help feed the folks on main street and Herkimer believe it or not.
I did not plan on talking so much main street and Herkimer one, one episode, but it’s true tomorrow afternoon. We’ll be there. And the video we will show you on Monday. Put together a nice kind of montage of the trip and the local businesses and the local folks that have kicked in some food to help this mutual aid effort.
I’m excited about it. So if you missed any of today’s show, just, just stay right here, stick around right here. Don’t go anywhere. Give me like 30 seconds or so, and we will replay the whole thing would have Tarantino and you can stick around and start watching the beginning that you might’ve missed. So thank you for watching the Matt Masur show.
We will be back again, live with you on Monday morning at eight o’clock. You know how it goes.

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