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The Dictatorship of Ilion New York
The village of Ilion board held its first meeting since news broke on the controversy involving the Ilion fire department, the village still without a fire chief was looking to enter into a shared service services agreement with the little falls fire dept.
No public debate or comment was allowed.
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The Dictatorship of Ilion New York
don’t think that just Democrats are the problem because we’ve got new news out of Ilion. And it’s not, it’s not good. It’s, it’s frustrating. It’s infuriating
and it’s totally undemocratic.
Before I go too crazy. I’m going to play the local news clip.
That’ll give you some background
and some also called for the mayor to recuse himself in the investment. Shouldn’t be, but just start, there we go. Listen, thank you for joining us tonight. The village of Ilion board held its first meeting. Since news broke on the controversy involving the Ilion fire department, the village still without a fire chief was looking to enter into a shared service services agreement with the little falls fire depart now, right off the bat.
Do you hear what he says? And it’s the only way to say it. Cause it’s the truth. The village was looking to enter into an agreement, obviously. These things don’t just appear out of thin air suddenly, poof, there’s a shared services agreement between two municipalities. It doesn’t happen that way. The village is looking to do that.
It means the village is thinking about doing that. They mean the village has had discussions about doing that in a normal world. That would mean the village has had public meetings and public commons on that, but those things have not happened. This is a 100% behind closed doors and we won’t even comment on it.
Situation. Here’s gentleman who’s Brent Carney is live in iLien with the latest. Now we gave you the story last week that the little falls city board voted and approved this agreement, this agreement, nobody, an Ilion had a Davion heard about didn’t even know it was on the table. Radical change to public safety in their town.
Didn’t even know this was a possibility other municipality votes and passes it. What then the news reported on Monday Neely and we’ll vote on it at the regularly scheduled board meeting that was last night by no surprise, a lot of. Members of the village came to the meeting. They want to talk about it.
They want to hear the details. They want to debate it. They want their comments heard on it. The mayor refused to even speak on the matter on that vote. And what happened during the meeting? Brent? Good evening.
Well, good evening, Jason, within the last hour, the Ilian village board voted to enter into a shared services agreement with the city of little falls. Now, just to give you an idea of what that means is the little false chief Rob Parisi will now work as billion’s fire chief temporarily of course, for two days a week.
Okay. Temporarily of course, and four hours a night. Now let me give you that again. Cause I that’s an important detail. For two days a week and four hours a night. Now it says a night, he means a day, eight hours a week. Congratulations Ilion. You’ve got a chief for eight hours a week.
Is this really? This is a mayor’s idea of proper leadership, eight hours a week. What a major department, it’s got a major budget responsible for not only the fire department keep in mind, but also the ambulance service in town, you slip and fall. You have a heart attack, you dial nine 11. The Ilion fire department shows up with their ambulance.
It’s not like a lot of other municipalities that have you know, multiple private ambulance companies and so on and so forth. If there’s an emergency in Ilion, you need the fire department and they are now led by a man who puts in two half days a week.
Dan says, if this had been all above board, I would probably give the mayor and the village a benefit of the doubt when it comes to the investigations and staffing issues, the IFD, but it wasn’t a bud board, the whole thing stinks. And again, that’s the thing. And we’ve said that many times. Jennifer, who is I guess now the former Ilian fire chief’s wife has even said it.
John Stevens, the former mayor of Ilian has said it. If there’s something wrong, if these guys did something wrong, let’s hear about it and let’s deal with it appropriately. But you’ve got a wonder if, if any of this would even be warranted no matter what’s going on. I mean, these are guys that had no previous disciplinary issues.
So you’re saying that on ding on them and they’re out of the service. I mean, of course there are things as horrific as you know, It could be all you’ve got to do to get thrown out, but nobody even has any accusations. Nobody even knows what the hell we’re talking about. And we’ve moved to the level of pulling these people out and not putting someone in the department in charge.
What could possibly be your reasoning for bringing in an outside person?
You have deputy chiefs.
Those are like vice-presidents, you know, those are like the guy who’s supposed to take over. If the chief can’t do the job, the guy who is the chief on that shift, when the chief’s not in the station, why on earth would you go to another municipality? For some shitty part-time help and, and no offense to the chief.
he’s a good man. And I don’t believe that he has any any reason to knock him for his effort or his part of this at all. But he’s working part time. Why this there’s no reason for it. We have full-time men on our payroll. Full-time fire department, full-time firefighters, deputy chiefs, people that could easily step up and take this supposedly temporary role for the short time that you need to finish whatever investigation it’s been months is this, are we investigating Watergate here?
What what’s going on? Okay. We’re looking for Hillary’s emails. I don’t understand this fucking investigation that they won’t talk about. And that’s the key and that’s always the key, right? That’s always the go-to government or even corporate answer. Oh, there’s an investigation. We can’t talk about it.
What a convenient excuse. When the topic of the iLien fire department came up the board went into immediate executive session to discuss what they called was a personnel matter. And they did so for about two hours now, just to get everyone up to speed of what’s happening here 2 million firefighters are under investigation by the village.
A letter was sent to the village by a former village employee. The village says the complaint itself. Could potentially expose the village to legal action. The fire department currently has no fire chief and is being managed by three Illian, deputy fire chiefs after an almost two hour executive session, the board returned for public comment on the issue.
And some residents were frustrated by what they say.
Should probably turn my mic back on the, go in executive session to hide things and they don’t use executive session. They don’t follow the rules when things need to take place, you can go read the minutes of the village board meetings in Ilion, New York. And what you’ll be surprised to find is you don’t find any mention of chief, Tom Peterson being taken out of that role.
You should, the board should have debated it. They should have talked about it. That should have happened, but there’s no record of it. Why? Because it didn’t happen. The mayor made that decision unilaterally all on his own.
I’ve spoken before. I was happy when this man took office. Cause I’ve known him for a long time and I’ve always known him to be dedicated to Ellian. I know him because he was a police officer in that town when I was growing up and quite frankly, and I mean this in all honesty, he’s one of the folks that gave me hope for police officers, because he was a guy that was able to do his job.
Without beating people or shooting people. He typically had a level head, but at the same time, you got to keep in mind that he was a police officer and you got to keep in mind the mindset of a police officer. They are trained in, in, in some cases. And I’m not even going to debate this, even though I don’t agree with a lot of police tactics in the United States.
But they are trained to take over a situation, make assessments on their own. As a dictator. In many cases, they are one person trying to control a situation of a dozen bystanders. I get it. They take control. They even make arrests. As they see fit at the time, but they never have to deal with the consequences.
And that’s the way the law enforcement system is set up. You can be arrested for anything, but if a prosecutor or a court decides they don’t want to charge you, or they don’t want to convict you, you’re on your way, no consequences for the police officers. They can literally do what ever they want. And in some cases, even kill folks in phase zero consequences for that, that is the mindset.
That this man worked under for his career 30 plus years. Unfortunately, that doesn’t work in elected office. You don’t get to make the decision as you best see fit at the moment and worry about the consequences later or, or not worry about the consequences at all, because there’s somebody else’s problem.
They’re your problem. You are all of it now. You don’t get to pass the buck and say, Oh, well, I did what I thought was good. And that’s all I got to do. No, it ain’t about you anymore. The mayor is supposed to be same as a president. Same as a governor,
too many degrees, a figurehead. They are the person that delivers to the public. The ideas are what’s going to happen. We vote for them based on. What they claim they’re going to do. We are supposed to be in charge of this. We are supposed to have input or at the very least we’re supposed to know what the hell they’re even thinking.
Not nearly in an Ilion it’s we’re going to do this. We don’t give a fuck what you think. Cool. Welcome to North Korea. I mean, they’re not throwing anybody in camps. So, I mean, I guess they got that going for him. Dan says it’s so frustrating before he was mayor. I would have said that I respected lanica between this and endorsing Tenney from the village page.
He’s lost my respect here. That was, that was some of the things that he did. And I’m no Claudia Tenney fan.
But I don’t want people to think that’s the recent, he literally, from the village page said, go vote for Claudia Tenney. You can’t do that. You can’t, you can’t use an official public thing to endorse any candidate whatsoever. No matter if he said, you know, vote for Brindisi, vote for Hillary, whatever, it’s all wrong.
Immediately took that down, by the way. He, he figured out that that was wrong pretty quick. It doesn’t really change much last minute or so of this story, because I think it’s important. It was a lack of transparency and the investigation that’s gone on this long. This is Sam deraco. I know him. Well, he graduated, I graduated, he retired with my father from the Ilion fire department.
Grew up with his daughters, great guy, retired deputy chief himself, lifelong supporter of Ilion and the community. And it was supposed to be investigating it from what I understand a member of the police department is doing it. And it’s been two months, I mean, in two months time. You can find out a lot of things.
It’s one man’s word against another and that’s it right there. Right. They’re basing this all on. Supposedly this complaint by a former employee, nobody even knows what this complaint is. It’s supposedly they’re investigating, like Sam says it spent two months. I mean, again, the same scene who done it?
There’s some kind of claim either happened or it didn’t, I would think that you could determine whether it happened or it didn’t in less than two months.
I’d like to see everybody go back to their positions and carry on in the exemplary way that they’ve been doing right along. I don’t think that’s going to happen, Dolores. Unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed. I think at this point, what we need to focus on is making sure that the situation doesn’t get worse and the service isn’t further degraded.
Personally, I have to wonder if this isn’t a pre precursor to totally merging or even eliminating the Ilion fire department, going to a full volunteer model who knows, who knows what’s going on here? But none of it makes any sense. And none of it, like Dan says is above board. It’s all back room. No public comment.
Okay. From the folks not in this report from folks that were at the meeting last night, they report to any question that had anything to do with the fire department. They deemed a personnel matter and wouldn’t even speak on it. One other village resident, Bonnie coffin stood up and spoke. She pointed out that the mayor’s son, mayor lambic, his son is an Ilion firefighter.
Hence the mayor should potentially be recused from any matters regarding the fire department. Okay. And the mayor said, well, this is a personnel matter. We’re not even talking about that. It’s so convenient. It’s so nice to be able to just say now we’re just not going to do our job. We’re just not going to talk to the public, to the tax payer, the ones that pay my salary, the ones that elected me, the ones that by law, I am obligated to inform about these things.
Nah, just not gonna, what are you going to do about it?
It’s the question. Village pavilion. What are you going to do about it?
After all these excuses at this meeting that we can’t discuss any of this situation because it’s a personnel matter. The mayor went on with the meeting and discuss the promotion of a light department worker and read a resignation letter from one of our policemen. I’m reading this from a Facebook post, from a resident who was at the meeting.
Her question, the obvious question are those personnel matters. The man quitting and a man being promoted. I’m no HR expert, but I’m going to say that’s a personnel matter. So clearly you can pick and choose which personnel matters you want to discuss. You don’t want to discuss the ones that. The public actually wants to discuss,
but we got no problem telling you that a cop quit. That’s apparently no issue.
And some also called for the mayor to recuse himself in the investigation because his son is a member of the fire department. I just said that the mayor responded by saying the only knowledge that he has in this investigation is that it’s continuing or that, or if it’s not continuing. And he also told me that he has no knowledge of who has been questioned within the fire department as part of the investigation.
In my opinion to go Bernie Sanders. In my view, it’s a blatant lie.
I don’t know it to be a fact that he’s lying. And again, there is a possibility that I am wrong, but I find it very hard to believe. That the mayor in this incredibly hot and controversial situation knows nothing about this supposed investigation. The former police officer mayor has no idea where, where this investigation is at or who has been spoken to.
I think the reality is a little closer to, no one has been spoken to
that’s my theory. And, you know, I’ve been speaking to a lot of people seems like they haven’t been spoken to. So, you know, we could find out real quick if my theory holds water or not, but the idea that he has no idea what’s going on with this investigation is ludicrous again, unless you want it. Read that as there really is no investigation and that’s bullshit,
lots of possibilities here. It would really benefit the mayor and the village board to come clean on this again, if there’s something wrong, if people did things wrong. Deal with it appropriately. You won’t get any of this heat. Nobody will be talking about it. Channel two, won’t be basically editorializing and explaining how ludicrous this is and how much of a departure.
This is from typical behavior, how you operate and run a municipality.
If this is all legit and you mean well, and you’re doing the business of the people of Ilion, it should be very easy. To let them know that. But all you do is Stonewall. I mean, you know, the old police line, what do you got to hide? Now we are going to continue to follow this story as we learn more information.
And as soon as we do learn more information, we will provide that to you. But for now in Ilion, Brent Carney news, channel two, Jason, back to you. All right, Brian. Thanks. Good evening, everyone. So incredible. As you saw, you know, in that piece, they did eventually vote. It’s my understanding that after stonewalling, everybody going into executive session for two hours, not answering any questions, they dealt with all their other business and they really hoped that they could drain people and just, just get them to leave.
They, they voted on this fire chief temporary agreement with little falls. It was the very last thing they did at the very end of the meeting. Again, the public didn’t get to debate it. They voted and of course said, yeah, sure. We’ll do that. And so now Ilion has a fire chief for four hours a day, twice a week.
Also still paying the other firefighter. The other chief and the other deputy chief that’s been suspended again with not even an indication of what he might’ve done wrong,
all on your dime. And I don’t just mean all on the dime of the people of Ilion. You’ve got to remember a small, poor village, like this receives huge amounts of state and federal funding. If you pay taxes in the state of New York or even the United States of America, portion of the money they’re burning here is your money.
It should probably concern you a little bit than any municipality is being run this way in the financial issues that we face and they talk on and on and on. You know, their, their original excuse. And again, they mentioned it in this pieces when we got this accusation from this former employee at that cause a legal liability, they’re racking up so many lawsuits and so much liability in the way that they are handling this situation and defaming.
Men who they still cannot accused. They keep talking about this investigation, like these evil men. That’s the story that they’re putting out here. These guys did something wrong. They’re under investigation. That’s why they can’t be firefighters, but we won’t tell you what they did, but we’re just going to keep putting that story out there and keep making sure that the.
You know, court of public opinion, deems these men is some sort of monsters who had to be pulled from the job because of something that is taking us months to investigate
seems, seems like defamation to me. And again, I’m no lawyer.
But this is insane. It’s absolutely insane. Just answer the questions, tell people what the hell you’re doing. If you want to get rid of the fire department, you want to merge it with every other town in the County. You could probably find support for that. Make a case for it. Here’s why I want to do it.
Here’s why I think it’s good. People can either get on or they can. Stand against it. That’s what’s supposed to happen in a democracy in the United States of America, where we have representative government. We do not have a dictatorship. We did not elect dictators. We elect people that are supposed to be responsible to their constituents.
Now you could laugh. Of course, because we have examples at every level of government where people don’t elected officials don’t represent their constituents, but it doesn’t mean we’re going to talk about it any less. It doesn’t mean it’s any less of a problem. Doesn’t mean you get to get away with it, ruin some people’s careers and put lives in danger.
That’s the thing, be one thing. If we were messing with the village clerk’s office,
Or, you know, even the DPW, although those folks are critical for keeping the roads maintained,
you know, the fire department and again, the ambulance service, this is, this is the agency we’re going to mess with. This is the village department. We’re going to take out our agenda. And, and again, I don’t know if the goal is to save money or what it is, but. We’re going to do that by going after one of the best assets the village has, it’s known across the state as one of the best fire departments.
I don’t know if there’s much, much more to go into on that. I feel like I’m just gonna. Say the same things over and over, but I will tell you that we will, of course stay on top of this story. I was kind of hoping for some resolution or at least thought that there would be some after this meeting, you know, maybe they’d give some answers.
They’d say, we’re going to do this. We’re going to do that. Like it or not. We can complain about it. We can talk about it, but there’s resolution and things are moving forward. That’s not the case. Nobody got the questions answered. We got this temporary chief thing, which again, they stress you’ve been on the news as temporary.
So even if they want to make it longer, there’s going to be conceivably more Bo votes. There should be more conversation. There should be some conversation with the village board. So unfortunately this story continues on.
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