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Joe Driscoll Talks Syracuse Politics
Joe Driscoll: [00:00:04] What’s going on, Joe? Chilling man. Just trying to keep the wheels on the car these days and all the madness. That’s all I can really attest to.
Matt Masur: [00:00:13] I hear ya.
Phil Farda: [00:00:15] What time do you wake up in the morning? Usually I
Joe Driscoll: [00:00:18] actually wake up at about six dude. It’s crazy. I have two dogs that like are just rise and shine at about six.
So I’m not sure.
Phil Farda: [00:00:26] Hell. Yeah. You got a new dog. I just, I mentioned that earlier, Joe got a new dog. That was the first thing Phil said. I’m like, Oh, that’s like way more interesting to me than any of the other shit going on. It’s just a new dog. Oh,
Joe Driscoll: [00:00:37] Dude, shit. When I first got her, like she when you first get a new puppy, should we got her like a few weeks old?
They gotta pee at 3:00 AM. They can’t make it through the night. So Oh, I’ve been on this like crack head. COVID wake up at two 30, take her out to pee, wake up at six. That’s
Phil Farda: [00:00:53] a cool we have little dogs, but we put, we get, we put the pads near the door and they’ll [00:01:00] just, they pee on the pad and it’s what a convenience.
There you go there. You never wake up yet.
Matt Masur: [00:01:06] You’ve
turned your dogs into cat.
Phil Farda: [00:01:08] Yeah, basically. Yeah, basically. I don’t know if you can hear them do, but they’re like, whimper it outside the door. They want to be on the show so bad.
Matt Masur: [00:01:20] Joe I want to give you just a quick introduction for those that, that don’t know you.
Although this is going to be a very local centric show. We’re talking about a lot of very local things in today’s episode, which was unplanned, but I’m pretty happy with Joe is a guy. Who is now a local politician. He’s. He’s part of the city of Syracuse. And, we’ll let him talk about that a little bit beforehand.
If you saw the image, you might’ve seen him rocking out in front of a crowd. He is a accomplished international musician who has toured the world and played festivals when there used to be groups of people together in public and [00:02:00] Also been an incredible activist an incredible supporter of Bernie Sanders.
In fact, one of the places that I first saw him was literally opening for Bernie Sanders playing some of his incredible music in front of a huge crowd in downtown Syracuse. And when Bernie came and visited in what, 2015, 2016 at the time joe is an all around great guy that is in a wide variety of things.
And also why I’m happy to have him in elected office because he doesn’t look like the the suit former lawyer, former accountant turned politician, and we need more of that.
Joe Driscoll: [00:02:40] I never when I, first got an office, I sent my wife. I’m like, I’m not going to really have to wear a suit like all the time.
That’s why she’s yeah, dude. That’s what you, that’s what you signed up for. I was like, I don’t think I will. And I, tried to rock jeans in a sports jacket for as long as I kept, but I do want to now
Phil Farda: [00:02:57] I gotta go buy a suit.
Joe Driscoll: [00:02:59] Yeah.
[00:03:00] Matt Masur: [00:03:01] This is not the way to go. That’s great, man, but Joe, so let me ask it.
You’re now. Are you twice elected or are we going into your, first reelection? Correct. I forget where we’re at.
Joe Driscoll: [00:03:16] It’s two year terms. So I’ve, I’m halfway through my second term. I’m currently running for my third term. That’s what I
Matt Masur: [00:03:23] thought. So you’ve been reelected now. It’s, not a one-off fluke thing.
You’re. You’re really in there. And what, is your job? What is it? What is a guy in city government do.
Joe Driscoll: [00:03:37] Yeah. So you have three, three basic roles as a city counselor. One is constituent service, which I think is really important. That’s it? People are on the local Facebook page, complaining that there should be a stop sign at, X Y street or the trash didn’t get picked up, or this building is always a mess.
Is is the city going to do anything about it? Those kinds of [00:04:00] things are constituent service, reaching out, seeing what problems are in the neighborhood, trying to problem solve with the city departments. The other is, writing new legislation, introducing new laws for the city. Taking initiatives with, city funding, trying to develop new programs.
And the third is fiduciary agent, just basically any money the mayor spends he needs to get approval from the council to do we have to look through all the, money he plans on spending and and decide if, it’s a green light or not, those are the three big roles that we do.
Matt Masur: [00:04:33] I got you.
So there’s a lot of hard work involved in it. And is this. Is this a full-time job? Is this one of those elected positions that, that you do in addition to your, job? Or how does that work? What was
Joe Driscoll: [00:04:45] great was I still kept the music going and so I’d work Thursday, Friday, Saturday evenings, and then I could work the, council gig nine to five.
And it was a great contrast because I’d worked harder on the weekends for music and then work during the week [00:05:00] for, council us. So it’s technically, it’s. It’s a gray area. We work the same Buffalo, for example, their counselors get paid 74,000 a year. And it’s very much expected to be a full-time job though.
It’s not different. Buffalo is probably double the population of Syracuse, but not too similar in the amount of responsibilities that a counselor has. Whereas we get paid like 30,000 and it’s it’s meant to be a part-time job, but we have to keep records showing that we work over 35 hours a week for, three months of the year.
So you are supposed to provide documentation, proving that you do work, which is 35 hours a week is basically full-time more than part-time. So it’s, really a gray area. It’s definitely w when I started it was 20 K. And I actually introduced the legislation of bumping up to 30 [00:06:00] which people went nuts, politicians trying to pay themselves more.
But I I was thinking about this morning with the minimum wage, because it hadn’t been raised since like 1999. So it’s W we’re still doing the same work. That was a 35 K a year job by relation in 1999. But we’re, just getting paid 20 K. So it was kinda more of an adjustment for time than an actual raise, but But, yeah, so that’s it’s, to me, I always say is I got a full-time job with part-time pay.
Cause it’s more stressful than other jobs but, I
Matt Masur: [00:06:33] love it yeah, you’re going to get it doesn’t end when the clock stops you’ve got people all over you. You’ve got issues that aren’t resolved yet obviously. And, may not be for a while, but
Phil Farda: [00:06:45] yeah, I would be instantly corrupt.
If I got into politics, I was like, how long was it going to take to just instantly corrupt you. You’re like, man, I don’t, I would not do a good job.
Matt Masur: [00:06:57] Look, Phil, he’ll make you laugh and take your cash.
[00:07:00] Joe Driscoll: [00:07:00] There you go. And there’s credit collector. You probably do well.
Matt Masur: [00:07:08] So,
Joe, I want to ask you a little bit of, a little bit of inside baseball.
Syracuse uniquely has a mayor who was elected as an independent. He didn’t play this game that many of us feel is the only choice where you got to pick one of these two teams. And he came out victorious. I believe you’ve, been a big supporter of his for a long time as a, Democrat you’re elected as a Democrat.
How does that, dynamic work? Is it beneficial or is it, hurting the mayor?
Joe Driscoll: [00:07:43] I think it has its pluses and minuses. I think at the time when he got elected that cycle 2017 pretty much unanimously, everybody was thought that they were left between Hillary and Trump.
The [00:08:00] thing I managed all Bernie’s social sites our managed all his Facebook, like all the local Syracuse pages of trying to advocate. So waiting into political battles on Facebook was pretty much my full-time job with putting thousands of dollars behind paid ads to get attention to different events and stuff we were doing for Bernie and the dominant narrative at that time in 2017 was just basically, everybody’s saying at the South park episode choosing between.
It turns sandwich people hated Hillary people hated Trump and just everybody hated both parties. And it was like they it, seemed to dominate I think somewhere around half the, registered voting population is, registered outside of a party.
So I felt the, vibe for Walsh to come in the year after that was perfect for him. Cause he was just like, look, I’ve just never registered with a party. I’m not a Democrat. I’m not a Republican. I take a little bit from both sides and I think it’s more important to [00:09:00] focus on the issues.
That message just super resonated at that time. This cycle I don’t know how it’s going to play because. I think the partisan lines have really been drawn, even deeper and like more people who were like, I lean Democrat, but I’m not going to be a Democrat are now becoming more active in democratic politics.
And I think people are like, they’re realizing that in order to feed the Republican army, that was the realization I had as someone who is relatively obviously if I was going to join one party would be a demo, the democratic party, but I was always more I was a Ralph Nader guy in the nineties and.
And disengaged from the system, but then I kinda realized like, damn, this Republican army is well-organized well-funded well-structured and if you’re going to overcome them, you’ve got to join the organization that has the most resources and the most ability, and seeing the Sanders path of engaging with the party and taking the using the [00:10:00] democratic line to convey that kind of Ralph Nader message seem way more effective than trying to go green party route.
I think that, it’s had a lot of strengths for the mayor, but I don’t know how it’s going to play out this cycle, it in a different age. But I do think it’s been very beneficial for him in a lot of ways.
Matt Masur: [00:10:20] And that’s an interesting dynamic that, that you touched on there is going forward, like you said you’re, a Democrat your colleague fellow Democrat Kalid Bay has thrown his hat in and, I can imagine this is the type of thing that becomes a real challenge for a guy like you, where do you, have to be loyal to the party if you think that Ben is a better choice going forward or, how does that how do you, navigate those waters, especially as a progressive guy in this party?
Joe Driscoll: [00:10:54] I love it very much, a tight rope but for me the democratic party [00:11:00] locally has put in kind of provision saying that If Democrats want to stay a member of the committee and want to be a member of the party, then they have to support the democratic candidate.
So that’s my intention. I will support whoever the Democrat is, but again it’s it is a difficult dynamic for me, the Walsh the Walsh administration, not only Ben himself, but his team has been. Awesome for me to collaborate with, we’ve done in politics you, get stuff done.
And they’ve helped me with some big initiatives that I want to get done. The lead initiative that we did fighting lead poisoning. We worked hand in hand reopening some community centers in my district. We, collaborated great on all these projects. So you develop friendships over the time.
And, but of course like Michael Green and clit Bay are both in the mayor’s race. And both very close friends and close allies of mine on the council. So it’s one of those things where, you know, the way I try to treat it as [00:12:00] as, as difficult as it gets is to treat it like a Yankees red Sox kind of thing, where it’s where it’s we don’t have to hate each other.
We don’t have to dislike each other with, politics like hopefully they’ll, be able to keep it collegial even if, they’re on opposite sides
Matt Masur: [00:12:19] of things. Yeah. Yeah I, understand. It it’s, an interesting, thing to navigate. Speaking of navigate, what are the, one of the huge things that was the worst segue ever, by the way, it was like a Phil fart.
It should be making fun of me for that. One of the biggest issue am I on
Joe Driscoll: [00:12:37] mute?
Matt Masur: [00:12:38] Biggest things happening in Syracuse is this big IAT one project, right? We got this interstate, it’s got bridges that, that are getting scary old. They got to do something new about it. I think we, we finally got a plan, right? We know what we’re actually doing now. Hey,
Joe Driscoll: [00:12:54] is that
Phil Farda: [00:12:55] the tunnel? Cause I’m not like I’m, not super familiar with Syracuse, wasn’t it?
Weren’t [00:13:00] they going to build a tunnel under the city or something? One of the
Matt Masur: [00:13:02] ideas
Joe Driscoll: [00:13:03] that was one of the three proposed options it was that the tunnel option was, insane for a number of reasons. One, because it was like a couple of billion, more than every other option. And also like we aren’t, Syracuse is known as the salt city.
The reason we’re called the salt city is because we have these. Warm rivers of salted water that run underneath our, city. So like taking a big tunnel and trying to develop walls what, obviously present a greater challenge than the other options.
Phil Farda: [00:13:35] How long was it going to take, wasn’t it going to take 25 years or something like that?
That’s what I want to drive through for the next 20 years is like construction of a it’s something like Gotham city would do. Yeah, totally. We’ll build it. So what did they land on? I’m sorry, what did they land on? No they’re going with the
Joe Driscoll: [00:13:53] We, believe so. Like the state, it’s it’s a long, complicated, bureaucratic process.
[00:14:00] That’s very confusing. But basically the state has said that they want the state DOD has come forward and said the community grid is the best option. Which for those who aren’t familiar with B raising all those elevated via ducks and bring it all the street level within the city.
Matt Masur: [00:14:17] So it’d be more like a Boulevard than a, raised highway.
Joe Driscoll: [00:14:21] Yeah, and this is something like, I’m the transportation chair for the council. So this is something I’ve been swimming in since the year before I got on council. I’ve researched this so extensively and it’s clearly the best of the three options to rebuild the elevated viaduct.
You’d have to build it. I think something like 20 feet wider and 10 feet higher because the complication is like, Oh, since it was built in the fifties and sixties there’s no shoulders. So if you get an accident trying to do that, you just gotta pull over in the middle of a tonight. Our streaming value is 65, so it doesn’t meet safety standards of the modern era.
So [00:15:00] you’d have to build shoulders on either side of it and make it a lot wider change a bunch of things. And that would require the destruction of 40 more buildings downtown Syracuse. So like all around, like rebuilding the viaduct. Just seemed like a really but there’s also the issue of all the land that’s adjacent you can live next to a Boulevard and see it as a metropolitan experience.
If you live under an underpass it’s, pretty gross, so all the property value that’s around six 90 and 81, those two highways, it has decreased to one 10th of the value of Hawaiian. Yeah, and the rest of the city. So if you’re a parcel of land was worth a hundred grand, if it’s right next to that, it’s worth 10 grand.
So there’s a whole argument about, we’re wasting a lot of space doing it this way. And I’m really hopeful so that the state has said they want to go with this grid option, raising everything, putting it street level. But the federal government still needs to sign [00:16:00] off, give the seal of approval.
And a big thing about it is we have to have large community meetings like cafeteria style, invite everyone in the city to come in and speak their mind about what’s going to happen. And obviously COVID, we can’t do any of that stuff. So that’s held up another bottleneck blocking point to moving forward as well.
Matt Masur: [00:16:20] Yeah. I I understand that our new transportation secretary, former mayor, Pete Buddha, judge Is supposed to be on this and, working with the city on that. Is that an accurate report?
Joe Driscoll: [00:16:33] Yeah, I will be I have a prep meeting today and then a meeting with the, federal department of transportation.
I’m not sure if mayor Pete himself will be there, but his representatives will be at the meeting tomorrow meeting with the city. I’ll be in on that. And yeah, his like his first tweet, as soon as he got transportation chair was like highways have ripped apart communities of color and created horrible segregation and created [00:17:00] these horrible urban environments.
We need to undo the mistakes of the past. So pretty much like directly tweeting about 81 if so we, we feel really positive. Obviously it’s a lot better than the previous administration. With our juice and buy-in between Cuomo and budaj Ash
Matt Masur: [00:17:20] That’s, wonderful.
And like you said it’s, living next to a highway. Everybody knows, immediately knows the connotation to that. The other side of that is. You have these highways and you could fly through the city quickly. And, the downside is you’ve got to go through stoplights and you’re going to go through things like this.
But we got to also keep in mind that Syracuse, like many big cities has the bypasses. We’ve got the 40 ones where if you’re just trying to, not get downtown, but get to the other side of the city, there will still be high-speed highways that you could jump on and do that, the throughway that so I think [00:18:00] it’s interesting.
And of course for businesses, you’ve just created a whole nother main street, a whole nother main thoroughfare that you can have a ton of shops and restaurants that you just pull over to. And I think that’s a drastic improvement as well.
Joe Driscoll: [00:18:17] Absolutely. W we were for me it politics, like it’s.
How to say it you’re always trying to bushwhack through some problems and cut, with your machete through some seemingly impenetrable forest. And the best thing to do, if you can, is look at another city nearby, that’s already dealt with this problem and how do they deal with it?
Because traditionally, if you look through America and look through other cities and say, okay, we have this problem with X, Y, and Z. How did. How did another city get out of this pickle successfully it often you can’t compare apples to apples because it’s like Seattle or Portland or something that’s West coast and [00:19:00] or the weather’s nicer or whatever it is, or they’re a larger metropolitan area.
But for, the 81 issue we’ve got Rochester’s Interloop. Just right across the road from us. And it’s Rochester is a very similar city, similar problems, similar dynamics. And they had a similar thing with 81 where they had, it was a depressed highway and then elevated highway, there were bridges and dips.
But they decided to put it all, like you’re saying, make it all a Boulevard. For, their Interloop, for their highway. And I think they saw something like $260 million of new investment along that corridor. We w we did a walking tour meeting with people who own restaurants and breweries along the road.
And they were like, our traffic, our foot traffic is increased like 80%, like it’s night and day from before and now. It’s going to be the only, real problem is we’re going to deal with Five six years of like down downstairs, he was just being absolutely shut down. But I think [00:20:00] after that’s done, if we do go with the community grid, it does get implemented.
I think you’re right. It’s like just opens the door for like more community integration and more economic development. I’m hopeful
Matt Masur: [00:20:10] and that’s, what we need. Especially after this I’m, Cautiously optimistic that and even before, the pandemic, even before everything shut down, we had seen a big change, there was a lot less people going out, a lot less people going to live venues for anything, a lot less civic groups. There used to be all these, the Elks, and you had all the, Jaycees and all these different things that people were involved in. And it seems like group activities in the past few decades have died out.
It’s my cautious optimism that after being shut in, people will be so sick of that that, we have a real resurgence of getting out of the house and hanging out with other people and being a community again. I don’t know. What do you guys think?
Phil Farda: [00:20:58] I hope so, my God [00:21:00] I’m so broke. I believe they just, put the capacity back up to 10 per party per table now.
And I didn’t for I’m usually on top of that. I didn’t realize it happened last week. So I went to my normal for Tuesday trivia night and it was jam packed and I was like, Ooh, this is good. This is looks illegal. But it was, actually just People got the okay. To go out in parties of 10 and they did.
The whole place was packed. So that’s just, that’s good for businessman.
Matt Masur: [00:21:34] As a musician and, fail your welcome to China and as well, both as, live entertainers where do you, think this goes for music and that type of thing?
Joe Driscoll: [00:21:45] I just echo your in Phil’s sentiment, but it’s more hopeful than, any crystal ball.
I feel the same thing that you felt mad that God it the, joke that I always do is [00:22:00] younger folks would come in while I’m playing the set and Hop on stage with me and take a selfie and then leave was like, let me this and stuff, like I’m at a Joe Driscoll show and then and then walk off.
And it’s it was just kinda that’s like literally things that happened frequently. So it’s I feel like we’ve gotten in this kind of different understanding of entertainment altogether. It’s like Netflix, it’s like YouTube. It’s like Spotify. It’s I don’t listen to albums.
Like I call up the 10% of the interesting part of the album that I want to access for free at this time. And it’s just we just have the whole molecular shift and entertainment where it’s you are on demand to entertain me in the way I want to be entertained.
Phil Farda: [00:22:50] I dunno what I know, man.
No, like a full, Joe Driscoll show. I was thinking about this last night. I don’t think I’ve ever gone to a Joe Driscoll show and, not gotten [00:23:00] late afterwards. I have to re I’d have to really run back my memory, but I can almost remember every time I made a Joe Driscoll show, the night ends in sex.
It’s amazing. That’s if people knew that they would
Joe Driscoll: [00:23:15] stay for the whole set. That’s good stuff. It’s a good slot. A lot of married couples can claim a Joey D show for their, first romantic encounter, right? Yeah,
Phil Farda: [00:23:26] exactly. Yeah. I believe it. I bet a lot of matches have been made.
Matt Masur: [00:23:32] I,
just can’t wait until we can get back to funk and waffles and and watch it perform there. I love that venue. I think it’s just the coolest little spot in town and when they put on great music, like somebody like you, it just makes it even better.
Phil Farda: [00:23:44] Joe, do you, let me ask you this, do you think everything you just said about how entertainment shifting and I agree with you it’s toward that like instant gratification.
Do you think that’s gonna continue? Do you think there’s like the shift for entertainment’s going ’cause [00:24:00] I’m on the fence. I’m not positive. I think, I hope that once we’re able to gather and crowds again, they’ll, we’ll be that burst of the thrill of being out. And, in a crowd and, just like dancing with strangers but maybe not
Joe Driscoll: [00:24:18] super hard to call it’s for me, it’s I would hope so.
All I can really say is I hope because I see, like I see two different, Oh, did I go away?
Matt Masur: [00:24:29] You just, you had blocked your camera, but we’re still hearing you.
Joe Driscoll: [00:24:32] Okay. Okay. I don’t know what’s going on here. I’m in my studio, so I don’t know if I’m getting the internet.
Matt Masur: [00:24:40] Oh, there we go.
Joe Driscoll: [00:24:42] Oh yeah. I don’t know.
It, really feels people are really getting more. I don’t know if this becomes a cultural trend that like, I just call up Netflix. It’s, really hard to like combat, like when, Nastor and all that stuff has [00:25:00] happened when like music changed from going out and spending $15 on the new Pearl jam album and sitting there, and like reading all the lyrics and looking at the cover art and everything to I’m just going to watch Jeremy on YouTube and then, it was like you don’t buy the album, you don’t sit and listen to it.
It just became this whole cultural change. But also it was like free. It was a superior product. Like I always wonder, it’s can you battle it against superior products that are like marketing market. So it’s I wonder about that, but I’m hopeful The only thing that would change this dynamic would be what you’re talking about.
Fellows. Like people are so pent up that they’re like, I miss I want something different than just sitting around watching Netflix. I want to like interact with people and feel that charge of like life again, and I think that if anything can do it, I think COVID would have done it. Like you, a lot of people are, I’ve heard a lot of people joking saying that like the roaring [00:26:00] twenties are about to start as soon as we can.
And Yeah. Yeah.
feel that I know whether the rest of the population joins me or not, I will definitely be in some bars, running jukebox is like putting $20 in going to see my favorite bands and rocking out as soon as this is all over, for sure. I hope the rest of the world joins me.
Phil Farda: [00:26:21] We were talking earlier about how, cause one of my thoughts I had was by not going out, I’m saving so much money. Like a night out. I might, buy a ticket and I might spend 60 bucks at the bar and maybe it’s like a $75 night. But then I was talking to Matt earlier about, since COVID happened, like me and my wife will order a dinner, like from Uber eats or something.
And it’s still 70 bucks. By the time it comes with all the fees and the tip and everything. It’s it’s, the same amount of money where we rather be out
Matt Masur: [00:26:51] Totally. So, fellows we’re just about out of time, but I don’t want to let Joe go without letting people know where to [00:27:00] find him.
And also let people know that you’ve got your own podcast and content. If people want to hear more about you and interesting people in town, right? Yeah,
Joe Driscoll: [00:27:09] absolutely. You can find me My politics website, Jojo skull three one five. My music website, Joe Driscoll music on Facebook Jojo school politics on Facebook, Joe Driscoll music, and my podcasts, all city grind has been really fun.
I’m just a huge consumer of pods myself. And I felt like there was really a gap in the market of people just having casual conversations about things that were politically interesting in Syracuse. We’ve been having those conversations and I’ve been enjoying it a lot.
Matt Masur: [00:27:43] That’s great, man. That’s good stuff. And I highly encourage folks to check that out and stay tuned into what’s going on. They say all politics is local, but the reality is we’ve got more room to, to make change and do things that impact our everyday lives at the local level than we’ll ever [00:28:00] have in DC.
These are the guys to pay attention to and the issue is to pay attention to it. I strongly encourage folks to do that. Amen.
Joe Driscoll: [00:28:08] I wholeheartedly appreciate it. Thanks. Ma’am
Matt Masur: [00:28:12] Joe, Phil. If you guys will stay with me just a second, I want to fill just to to point out a couple of things that he’s got going on and then we’ll kick off air and, I’ll just say goodbye to you guys.
Phil, one more time, tell everybody where they can find you and also tell us about this diaper thing. One more time.
Phil Farda: [00:28:29] Sure, man. So I started wearing diapers.
Joe Driscoll: [00:28:34] This
Phil Farda: [00:28:34] is this the Syracuse. Based event, I’m working with the CNY diaper bank. Some of, my friends are on the board there and we’re, so we’re this Friday, it’s February 12th, we’re doing a virtual trivia party.
It’s a fundraiser it’s free to play. It’s just, donate whatever you can. So they’re asking for a $25 donation, if you can make it, but any amount helps you can come play for free with us. A hundred percent of the proceeds are going to the CNY [00:29:00] diaper bank. And they do just wonderful things for families in need.
If you need to know more, you can just visit the event. We have links to their page, the benefits of it your contribution. It buys diapers that helps out our local community, a great deal. And I’m going to be I’m fish guy media live streaming that virtual event, and we’re going to be having some beers and hanging out and having fun.
It’s going to be a good time, man.
Matt Masur: [00:29:24] And guys for everybody watching and enlisting live on Twitch. I thank you very much. Shout out to RD who has been in the chat having a great time. I’m sorry. We weren’t able to to get in with you, but I’m glad you’ve been a joy and Joe and, a lot of the things that we’ve got going on, follow the podcast, like follow subscribe, everywhere.
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